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JDLM
2012-04-24, 10:35 PM
Get Out! The Wallbanger by Urbancase



http://3.design-milk.com/images/2012/03/wallbanger-1.jpg
Urbancase (http://www.urbancase.com/) is back with a new outdoor must-have for those who like to entertain: The Wallbanger wall-mounted bar (http://www.lolldesigns.com/product.php?productid=178). Manufactured by Loll (http://www.lolldesigns.com/), the Wallbanger (http://www.lolldesigns.com/) mounts to your wall and the front folds down and can be used as a cutting or serving surface.
http://3.design-milk.com/images/2012/03/wallbanger-2.jpg
Named after the famed Harvey Wallbanger drink invented in the 1950ís by world-champion mixologist Duke Antone, it contains tons of storage for glasses, bartending equipment and a nice selection of liquor. Plus you can feel good about it because Loll uses recycled milk jugs in their products and the Wallbanger uses about 256 reclaimed milk jugs.
http://3.design-milk.com/images/2012/03/wallbanger-3.jpg
http://3.design-milk.com/images/2012/03/wallbanger-4.jpg
http://3.design-milk.com/images/2012/03/wallbanger-5.jpg




Find something comparable for this? I like the idea not the price of 400 :shock:

freekwonder
2012-04-25, 12:20 AM
That's awesome.

Hell I bet somebody on here has connections with a kickass carpenter that could make some just as good if not better. Something like that but with a built in but removable for cleaning butcher block style cutting surface.

dstock1088
2012-04-25, 08:58 AM
That's awesome.

Hell I bet somebody on here has connections with a kickass carpenter that could make some just as good if not better. Something like that but with a built in but removable for cleaning butcher block style cutting surface.

I will work on something lol. I can probably make this.

69Mach351
2012-04-25, 09:05 AM
It does not look like something that would be horribly difficult to make, though I am not horribly good at wood working. Neat, simple idea.

Scooby24
2012-04-25, 09:07 AM
That actually looks really easy to make.

dstock1088
2012-04-25, 09:13 AM
The only hard part that I can see is being able to fold down the tray and being able to put enough pressure on it to actually use it as a cutting board. I am sure we could come up with something though.

Scooby24
2012-04-25, 09:15 AM
The only hard part that I can see is being able to fold down the tray and being able to put enough pressure on it to actually use it as a cutting board. I am sure we could come up with something though.

Doesn't fold, looks like it pulls out and then simply slides into a guide that's got a tight enough of a tolerance that it holds the weight. The face at least would need to be made of a pretty hard wood to make sure it doesn't flex, but outside of that it looks like a fairly straight forward and simple design.

My only question is how are they latching it up at the top.

JDLM
2012-04-25, 09:15 AM
If I had more tools (hell even if I didn't) I may check on their return policy and buy one just to photograph and blue print it :lol:

Scooby24
2012-04-25, 09:20 AM
If I had more tools (hell even if I didn't) I may check on their return policy and buy one just to photograph and blue print it :lol:

Hell, change one or two things about it if they have a patent, and just cut a bunch of blanks and offer selling the pieces to people for easy side cash. I'd gladly pay 100 bucks for a precut one that all I had to do was drill and screw together, sand and paint.

dstock1088
2012-04-25, 09:24 AM
Doesn't fold, looks like it pulls out and then simply slides into a guide that's got a tight enough of a tolerance that it holds the weight. The face at least would need to be made of a pretty hard wood to make sure it doesn't flex, but outside of that it looks like a fairly straight forward and simple design.

My only question is how are they latching it up at the top.

After looking at it closer I would ASSume that the bottom o the door sits on a lip (possibly in a groove?). Then it appears to have the magnetic latches like a lot of entertainment centers have to hold the glass doors shut. I think I would want something a little more secure since it will be outside in ks weather lol.

I will try and have a rough design tonight.

JDLM
2012-04-25, 09:25 AM
Hell, change one or two things about it if they have a patent, and just cut a bunch of blanks and offer selling the pieces to people for easy side cash. I'd gladly pay 100 bucks for a precut one that all I had to do was drill and screw together, sand and paint.

I'll send an email and see (not sure it would come together anyway :lol: )

06g35meister
2012-04-25, 09:27 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Buddy-Products-Inches-Medium-9296-11/dp/B001CDSF60/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1335360371&sr=8-14

could be modified :)

JDLM
2012-04-25, 09:28 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Buddy-Products-Inches-Medium-9296-11/dp/B001CDSF60/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1335360371&sr=8-14

could be modified :)

Would need to be made wider to fit bottle etc..

69Mach351
2012-04-25, 09:31 AM
Doesn't fold, looks like it pulls out and then simply slides into a guide that's got a tight enough of a tolerance that it holds the weight.

This is what I would assume. That wayif the back and sides are sturdy enough, the board should be as well.

Scooby24
2012-04-25, 09:38 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Buddy-Products-Inches-Medium-9296-11/dp/B001CDSF60/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1335360371&sr=8-14

could be modified :)

This is a better design IMO. Would be sturdier. Aesthetically it's not quite as pleasing, but function > form.

dstock1088
2012-04-25, 09:44 AM
Those hinges look much better IMO. What if we used steel cable to hold the table?

freekwonder
2012-04-25, 10:23 AM
After looking at it closer I would ASSume that the bottom o the door sits on a lip (possibly in a groove?). Then it appears to have the magnetic latches like a lot of entertainment centers have to hold the glass doors shut. I think I would want something a little more secure since it will be outside in ks weather lol.

I will try and have a rough design tonight.

That's what it looks like to me, Not sure if the door comes off or pivots down and slides into a groove. But it looks like it might slide into a slot between the shelf and probably something underneath it to provide the support for the cutting surface. Reall you don't need a lot of strength if you are using it to just cut produce products on it.

You could have pins in the side of the door that sit in a groove, pull the door down, slide it back inbetween the internal shelf and another piece of wood, then have a brace or two that could swing out. It should all be small yet strong enough to hold it for cutting stuff (not for leaning one), and all be hidden when the door is open or closed.

JDLM
2012-04-25, 10:56 AM
so this is plastic and made of milk jugs fwiw :lol:

http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_door1.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_door1.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_front.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_front.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_inside1.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_inside1.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_inside2.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_inside2.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_side1.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_side1.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_side2.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_side2.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_side_open.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_side_open.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/dimensions/thumbs/wallbanger.png (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/dimensions/wallbanger.png)

dstock1088
2012-04-25, 11:32 AM
so this is plastic and made of milk jugs fwiw :lol:

http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_door1.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_door1.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_front.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_front.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_inside1.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_inside1.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_inside2.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_inside2.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_side1.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_side1.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_side2.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_side2.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/thumbs/wallbanger_detail_side_open.jpg (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_side_open.jpg) http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/dimensions/thumbs/wallbanger.png (http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/dimensions/wallbanger.png)

Well that make it easy lol. Thanks. I was thinking of building it out of a nice cedar, then I could put some nice stain on it.

ItalionStallion888
2012-04-25, 11:37 AM
Doesn't fold, looks like it pulls out and then simply slides into a guide that's got a tight enough of a tolerance that it holds the weight. The face at least would need to be made of a pretty hard wood to make sure it doesn't flex, but outside of that it looks like a fairly straight forward and simple design.

My only question is how are they latching it up at the top.

look at the face and then the top of the box, there is metal on the face and magnets attached to the inside of the box.

Scooby24
2012-04-25, 11:38 AM
Man that tray looks awfully flimsy. Bending under its own weight, I cannot imagine how scary that would be putting drinks/glasses on it and the weight of you cutting. I'd stick with the hinged design.

JDLM
2012-04-25, 11:38 AM
Well that make it easy lol. Thanks. I was thinking of building it out of a nice cedar, then I could put some nice stain on it.


Yeah dimensions help :lol:

I'm still not sure what kind of hinges/hardware they have (also looks like in this pic, it looks like 2 "arms come from somewhere (possibly swing out underneath)

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5047/dovico.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/dovico.png/)

Scooby24
2012-04-25, 11:41 AM
Yeah dimensions help :lol:

I'm still not sure what kind of hinges/hardware they have (also looks like in this pic, it looks like 2 "arms come from somewhere (possibly swing out underneath)

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5047/dovico.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/dovico.png/)

Those are just the sides peeking out from below the door. they aren't support.

JDLM
2012-04-25, 11:45 AM
Those are just the sides peeking out from below the door. they aren't support.

Ah the whole pov messed me up :lol:

So it just looks like the lip rotates down and that's it

I'm going to send the email off here and see if I can get more info

The Harvey Wallbanger was invented in the 1950's by world champion mixologist Duke Antone. This wall mounted bar is named appropriately after his famous mixed drink. Designed with Darin Montgomery of urbancase (http://www.urbancase.com/pages/cocktailstation/cocktailstation1.html), the Loll Wallbanger is intended for outdoor cocktail parties. A hinged panel door doubles as a work surface and interior magnets hold it closed when not in use. Although you can cut right on the poly door we include an Epicurean Handy Bar Board for slicing limes or whatever. The interior will store bottles and a built in shelf will hold tools, glassware, and other bar tending equipment. Cheers!

dstock1088
2012-04-25, 12:06 PM
I am going to try and build a rough one out of pine tonight and see what you guys think. I have some awesome ideas on how to improve this design.

dstock1088
2012-04-25, 06:06 PM
Alright, I am gonna push this back until tomorrow night. I had something come up tonight. I am going to build the first "prototype" out of some cheap plywood. If you guys like it, I will build it out of something nicer.

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 12:27 AM
Ok I built one tonight out of some cheap plywood. It's a very rough draft but here it is:
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898f48-1f40-befe.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898f48-1f4d-09ea.jpg

I like the thought but I hate the door. There is really no way that I can figure out to make the door stable enough to actually use as a table.

One thought I had was to make the doors open just like a kitchen cabinet. Then I could hinge a table top out of the back.

I will come up with some drawings to see what you guys think.

Any thoughts or ideas?

baker
2012-04-27, 01:10 AM
for the door what i would do is have a arm that swings out from the bottom like, make it center and when you put the door down swing the arm out and the door can rest on it.

Keboh
2012-04-27, 02:23 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Buddy-Products-Inches-Medium-9296-11/dp/B001CDSF60/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1335360371&sr=8-14

could be modified :)

This one looks pretty good, too

http://www.amazon.com/SEI-Walnut-Fold-Out-Convertible-Desk/dp/B003AKZG3I/ref=pd_sbs_op_2

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 04:22 AM
for the door what i would do is have a arm that swings out from the bottom like, make it center and when you put the door down swing the arm out and the door can rest on it.

I am not sure what you are meaning. Explain it again please.

This one looks pretty good, too

http://www.amazon.com/SEI-Walnut-Fold-Out-Convertible-Desk/dp/B003AKZG3I/ref=pd_sbs_op_2

I like this but it's not very elegant looking lol. Maybe I could use some molding to decorate the frame of the legs to spruce it up a bit.

black797
2012-04-27, 09:27 AM
Make the door like a tailgate on a truck. You can use picture hanging hardware rated at 50 lbs X 2 hinges would give you 100 lbs of support.

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 09:33 AM
I had mentioned that earlier in the tread, using some steel cable to support it. I will draw some designs up on my lunch break today and see why you think.

Keboh
2012-04-27, 09:35 AM
I like this but it's not very elegant looking lol. Maybe I could use some molding to decorate the frame of the legs to spruce it up a bit.

Yeah, it looks nice when it's folded up, though!

But I agree. However, I bet it's pretty solid for cutting things on :lol2:

Looking forward to seeing your finished project :cheers:

ItalionStallion888
2012-04-27, 09:38 AM
Is that your garage or where you work at?

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 10:32 AM
Is that your garage or where you work at?

My grandpa is a carpenter and that is his wood working shop. Lol I wish it was mine.

JDLM
2012-04-27, 10:39 AM
I think adding in a hinge (and possibly making it twist on some sort of dowel) would work

I know this is "rough" are you going to eliminate the supports holding the internal shelving? You could counter sink some hols on the outside and screw the shelving in place and then plug the holes and sand those down.

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 10:44 AM
I think adding in a hinge (and possibly making it twist on some sort of dowel) would work

I know this is "rough" are you going to eliminate the supports holding the internal shelving? You could counter sink some hols on the outside and screw the shelving in place and then plug the holes and sand those down.

Ya those supports will be gone. With this plywood I couldn't really screw it together like I will with cedar. I have some other ideas for the shelf but I will have to draw it out later when I get some time.

nusch
2012-04-27, 02:29 PM
If you extend the lower section of the swing door down past the hinge point (length of extended section equal to total width of the cabinet itself) then it would provide support when the door is opened 90 degrees by bracing against the frame of the unit. It would probably still need the additional cable support that you described above, but you may be able move back your attachment points for the cables. Another option to a cable support would be to copy the design of a piano bench and include lid support hardware (http://www.rufkahrs.com/shelbe/lid.html).

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 02:30 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e569-ec9a.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e576-9aee.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e584-5973.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e599-3267.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e5a5-1be0.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e5b2-6a8c.jpg
These were just some drawing I did. If you can't read or see them very well let me know.

Opinions?

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 02:43 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e68a-9ddc.jpg

I have a few of these that I was thinking about using. They are really small for this door though. I like these though:
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e8b6-7419.jpg

And this would be bad ass:
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-e8d1-fc80.jpg

I just threw away a bunch of gas shocks too :(

Edit: I found one pair!

ItalionStallion888
2012-04-27, 03:01 PM
I was getting ready to post those hinges up, beat me to it. That's what I would use.

Keboh
2012-04-27, 03:03 PM
I would avoid the first set of hinges you posted. I have a desk that has as set like those on it and they are so fucking squeaky. I have to grease it really frequently.

nusch
2012-04-27, 04:44 PM
If you feel like adding some hardware you could construct a two door system that divides the unit in half horizontally. The top door would open upwards and be equipped with gas hinges, and the lower door could use some variation of the hinges I posted above. This would reduced the weight of the downward folding door and create a cutting surface that is more practical.

JDLM
2012-04-27, 04:45 PM
This is just making me want to drop 400 dollars just to see WTF is up :lol:

baker
2012-04-27, 05:00 PM
The first one is a bottom view, with the bar in the resting place as you can see there is a pivot in the middle of it for it to swing.

http://upload.offensivex.com/images/img201kek.jpg


This one is upside down but shows the bar out where the door rests on top of it.

http://upload.offensivex.com/images/img201nkn.jpg


Yes I know shitting drawings but gives an idea of what im talking about

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 05:03 PM
The first one is a bottom view, with the bar in the resting place as you can see there is a pivot in the middle of it for it to swing.

http://upload.offensivex.com/images/img201kek.jpg


This one is upside down but shows the bar out where the door rests on top of it.

http://upload.offensivex.com/images/img201nkn.jpg


Yes I know shitting drawings but gives an idea of what im talking about

That is not a bad idea. Actually that's the best idea so far in my mind.

I am working on it now :cheers:

baker
2012-04-27, 05:08 PM
btw we are all fucking morons

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 05:10 PM
Also the gas shocks I have are too stiff and too long (insert gay joke here)

baker
2012-04-27, 05:15 PM
Btw the face of it folds down and uses the bottom of the shelf on the inside to hold it

http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_side2.jpg


notice how big the face of the cabinet is.

when it's folded down...


http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_inside2.jpg

you can see where the bottom of the face goes inside and sits on the bottom of the shelf on the inside and holds it up.

JDLM
2012-04-27, 05:16 PM
it has a pivot point and uses that bottom shelf for resistance

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 05:50 PM
Btw the face of it folds down and uses the bottom of the shelf on the inside to hold it

http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_side2.jpg


notice how big the face of the cabinet is.

when it's folded down...


http://www.lolldesigns.com/productimages/details/wallbanger/wallbanger_detail_inside2.jpg

you can see where the bottom of the face goes inside and sits on the bottom of the shelf on the inside and holds it up.

Now I see lol. Well I have redesigned this thing real quick. I don't have a hinge on me so use your imagination, and the size of the shelf and I think the box needs to be changed but here you go.
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-146e-7738.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6898dfd-1492-bbd8.jpg

baker
2012-04-27, 05:53 PM
i shouldnt need a hinge, all you really need is 2 dowel rods that stick out and go to the walls of the outside

Keboh
2012-04-27, 05:56 PM
Man, if you get that thing worked out, nice looking, and functional, I will totally buy one from you. :lol2:

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 06:02 PM
i shouldnt need a hinge, all you really need is 2 dowel rods that stick out and go to the walls of the outside

Ya I see what you are saying. I guess I will pick up some lumber and build a nice functioning one now. It's gonna be out of cedar since it will be outside. Would you guys prefer stained or painted?

JDLM
2012-04-27, 06:06 PM
Ya I see what you are saying. I guess I will pick up some lumber and build a nice functioning one now. It's gonna be out of cedar since it will be outside. Would you guys prefer stained or painted?

if it is cedar just lacquered up

dstock1088
2012-04-27, 06:13 PM
if it is cedar just lacquered up

Kinda what I thought.

How many people want one? I am going to build one to figure out how much it's gonna cost me, then I should be able to mass produce.

JDLM
2012-04-27, 06:14 PM
I do :lol:

baker
2012-04-27, 06:14 PM
Kinda what I thought.

How many people want one? I am going to build one to figure out how much it's gonna cost me, then I should be able to mass produce.
sell it to jdlm for 350

dstock1088
2012-05-19, 07:55 AM
Bump. First one is about done.

http://img.tapatalk.com/a693636e-8a20-260b.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/a693636e-8a3a-0382.jpg

JDLM
2012-05-19, 10:34 AM
:headbang:

JDLM
2012-06-15, 04:42 PM
Should be picking this up tomorrow :woot:

06g35meister
2012-06-15, 04:50 PM
Umm, amazing work. Well done!

dstock1088
2012-06-20, 07:19 AM
If anybody wants one pm me and I will get started!

CrazieAccord
2012-06-20, 09:55 AM
any pictures of the final product?

JDLM
2012-06-20, 10:09 AM
any pictures of the final product?

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/577444_3281748975580_1554536502_n.jpg


Sitting in my hallway at home, need to paint some trim and walls in the basement