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LS1KILR
2011-02-06, 05:39 PM
5.4 DOHC

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Still have a long way to go. :cheers:

JamesB88
2011-02-06, 05:45 PM
What kind of trans is that?

LS1KILR
2011-02-06, 05:53 PM
What kind of trans is that?

It's a Clutch Turbo aka "The poor Man's Lenco". A TH400 that uses a Clutch instead of a Converter.

http://www.extremeautomatics.com/transmissions/clutchturbo400.html

Buford
2011-02-06, 05:56 PM
oh god, another red turbo SN95...... lol

Looks killer!

What is the goal for this badboy?

LS1KILR
2011-02-06, 06:05 PM
This is the build I have been working on for 3yrs. I just don't have the funds like the big boys to get it done in a couple weeks. That and I kinda got distracted with building the Lincoln with a built & blown motor. lol

Buford
2011-02-06, 06:10 PM
I totally understand. How big is that turbo?

92z28camarokid
2011-02-06, 06:22 PM
Looking good man!

LS1KILR
2011-02-06, 07:29 PM
I totally understand. How big is that turbo?

88mm

Buford
2011-02-06, 07:31 PM
Nice! You have a large displacement mod motor with those silly 4 cams, it should spin up nicely! You running pump gas? what is your build specs? I'm very curious to compare it to my build.

LS1KILR
2011-02-06, 08:08 PM
MMR monster Mod 1500 5.4
garret 88mm t6 turbo
NX kit (for quicker spool :D)
Turbo smart Eboost boost controller
HKS 60mm gate
31x12x4 intercooler
Sheet-metal upper intake
Aeromotive eliminator fuel sytem
Bosch 160lb injectors w/ Versa fueler
SCT BA3000
accufab TB
Clutch turbo TH400 w/ Quicktime bell
McLeod twin disc w/ Borg&Beck long
33 spline 8.8 w/ 3.27 gears
Qa1 tubular k-member
90/10 Lakewood fronts
Moroso trick springs (front)
Lakewood Manual rack w/ bump steer kit
Manual Brakes
UPR double Adjustable upper and lower control arms
UPR Anti-Roll bar
E-water pump
No AC or PS (of course)


The car weighed 3200lbs with me in it before. I've taken so much more weight out of it since. It should easily be 3000lbs with me in it when I'm done.
Like I said, I've been working on this build for 3 years. It should be running by May, though after that I still have to cage it and work out the little bugs.

Buford
2011-02-06, 08:27 PM
E-85 car?

it sounds like my car but with slighly bigger stuff. I will also weigh 200-300lbs more since I'll have a 10pt cage, with stock steering and brakes.

This SHOULD make 1000hp+ easily.

SCTBA3000 is a piggy back right?

Who made the intake?

WhiteNoise346
2011-02-06, 08:41 PM
Looks great :thumbsup: I'm in the same boat as far as having to wait a few years for my build but this gives me hope haha. Look forward to seeing it done

LS1KILR
2011-02-06, 08:55 PM
E-85 car?

it sounds like my car but with slighly bigger stuff. I will also weigh 200-300lbs more since I'll have a 10pt cage, with stock steering and brakes.

This SHOULD make 1000hp+ easily.

SCTBA3000 is a piggy back right?

Who made the intake?

91oct with water/meth
yeah, I may have to use a MAFia. Though the pipe is 4" from intercooler to TB so that will help.

A local buddy of mine made the intake. Its biased off MMR's Sheetmetal intake.

SHOULD easily make 1xxxwhp.


The Lincoln is no punk now either

- 4.6 DOHC b series heads (stock)
- Ford GT Cams
- Ported Cobra Intake w/ modified runners
- Built 4.6 DOHC Teksid block(Manley Rods, Ross Pistons, Cobra Crank, ARP Everything)
- Vortech V2 Si (22psi)
- Procharger BIG RED BOV
- Custom Powerpipe
- Snow Performance stage 2 Methanol Injection w/ Twin 625ml Nozzles. One PRE-blower, ONE POST-blower
- Innovators West 18% overdrive pulley
- 3.125 Blower pulley
- 8-rib Conversion
- Accufab sigle blade TB
- MMR IMRC Deletes
- Meziere Electric Water Pump
- SCT BA2800 MAF
- Kooks Headers w/ 3" collectors
- Custom 3" pipes from collectors y-piped into the 3.5" cutout
- 3.5" Electric cutout
- Custom Twin 255lpm fuel pumps
- 80lb Injectors
- Kenne Bell Boost a Spark
- MSD wires
- MSD Coil Pack
- Deleted Emissions crap
- 180* Thermostat
- Mild Built 4r70w Tranny w/ a TransGo Shift kit and AODE Gear set
- ART CARR 3000 stall
- Tranny Cooler
- 3.73 gears w/ posi
- M&H 325/45R17

It made 472whp @ 12psi on a SMALLER blower with the Old Motor. It should be 700+whp now. I put it on hold though because past 16psi it leans out no matter what I do to the tune. So I think the Lines are too small. So I need to put bigger fuel lines on it before i can finish tuning it.

Spiffy
2011-02-06, 10:52 PM
Looks like it will be interesting.

Unimaginablepower
2011-02-07, 12:25 AM
I do like SN95 cars! :mrgreen:


Who was that girl that worked at the O'rielly's in Lawrence about 4 years ago? She had a white Z28 w/ a 383

realdiehl
2011-02-07, 12:38 AM
:shock:

AutomagicLS1
2011-02-07, 07:51 AM
hell yeah Mo. Can't wait to see it back out it's been awhile! I think the last time I saw it out you were picking on Ryan in Topeka

redhot916spd
2011-02-07, 08:41 AM
I was scrolling through the pics and saw the turbo

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and thought Caterpillar called and wants their shit back

Jesus what a monster.

I will avoid whistling red sn95 on my bike in the future.

fast895ohstang
2011-02-07, 02:07 PM
looks good mo

elite_cyborg
2011-02-07, 02:26 PM
Your intake manifold sucks

LS1KILR
2011-02-07, 10:44 PM
Thanks for the positive comments guys!

auto_x5.0
2011-02-07, 10:50 PM
fuck me running....thats a big hair dryer bud, I will definitely watch out for this car.

Oh yeah KW got ahold of me....they said you stole one of their turbos, lol

MymonteSS
2011-02-08, 01:19 AM
Looks pretty sweet Mo, hopefully I'll see it out when it's all done. another damn car to stay away from while riding my bike.

Mike V
2011-02-08, 02:10 AM
That turbo is bigger than the engine in my RX-7. :)



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davisfrombelton
2011-02-08, 05:16 AM
That tranny setup is going to tear shit up.

mrstage1
2011-02-08, 10:47 AM
That tranny setup is going to tear shit up.And there's the "old school" stigma that is always spouted about the clutched autos...which is also very wrong.

He bought the trans from me, I did years of research and talked to many "old timers" who ran them as well as guys who do now. In the 60's clutch technology was nowhere near what it is today. We have soft lock, adjustable, multiple-plate and shit tons of facing materials to choose from as well. All those horror stories come from guys in the old days running clutches that just snatched up tight as a drum. Today, for one of these trans you use a clutch that "gives" a teeny bit before locking up. This also helps you hook better on slippery surfaces too BTW.

I bough the trans originally looking for a better, more efficient idea than a power sapping converter. A manual wouldn't work as everytime you push the clutch you waste forward drive. I looked into true clutchless manuals like Prostock cars run, but these won't stay in any gear other than high unless you keep some throttle on. Makes driving on the street problematic and abusive to the trans as you CAN physically hold them in the lower gears at light throttle but the face plated dogs are still gonna get beat up in short order requiring frequent freshening(every couple hundred street miles or so. eek!) I finally settled on a planetary trans like a Lenco/Jeffco type trans as these are basically an full manual auto with no power robbing pump, that use a clutch. However, these are VERY expensive to buy and setup. So, on a budget, I bought the clutch-turbo as a compromise(they are called a poor man's Lenco LOL) to run and get myself trained up on setting up an adjustable race clutch as well as not spend a fortune if it turned out my car didn't like a clutch trans, or even if I have the feel for making a racing clutch setup work right as it can be a daunting task. Ask the Pro's how much a good clutch man is worth sometime. Big difference between an average one and a great one.

A clutched auto is the best of both worlds in my opinion. Free's up some rwhp, has an infinitely adjustable stall as well as full one to one lockup like a manual for top end charge as well as slip free cruising on the highway. The clutch turbo is no more abusive than a regular manual to drive everyday. Harsh shifts, which was a big complaint...push the clutch pedal when your cruising and drive it like a stick car. Weak input shaft... Fallacy considering there are several 3500lb plus cars running well into the eight with big blocks using one to this day.

Why did I sell it if it's so great? I have no idea what my next car will be as I sold the Nova, so no sense keeping parts around when I don't know what the setup will be on a car I haven't thought about yet. Besides Mo needed it. LOL

mrstage1
2011-02-08, 10:50 AM
Also to Davis: You don't think a transbrake is abusive?

fast895ohstang
2011-02-08, 10:59 AM
Also to Davis: You don't think a transbrake is abusive?

just as if not more abusive than sidesteping a clutch

NONOS
2011-02-08, 10:05 PM
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167335_1891344643063_1224927710_32375271_440184_n. jpgDam Moe is that where the oil lines go on top!:shock: Have one hell of a oil pump

Pny Pwr
2011-02-08, 11:06 PM
looks like my old TV8101 turbo

what exhaust housing are you using?

davisfrombelton
2011-02-09, 06:29 AM
I understand you had a hard time selling that setup.

Why did nobody want it?

davisfrombelton
2011-02-09, 06:33 AM
Also to Davis: You don't think a transbrake is abusive?

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Anything with a converter is softer than a clutch, therefore less abusive.

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-09, 06:36 AM
You're comparing apples to oranges.

Anything with a converter is softer than a clutch, therefore less abusive.
You can't possibly be serious

davisfrombelton
2011-02-09, 07:13 AM
So serious.

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-09, 07:15 AM
:ryan:

davisfrombelton
2011-02-09, 07:20 AM
The idea is neat and works on paper, but they cut peoples feet off. NHRA says so.

chlsnk
2011-02-09, 08:05 AM
Oh god that tubro is a beast subscribed to this thread.

turboeater
2011-02-09, 08:39 AM
I had more headaches with a tranny brake then dropping the clutch at 6000 rpm.

tommygun
2011-02-09, 08:43 AM
I have put 7500 miles on a face plated T56 w/o a refresh.

Face plated 1-4, 5th and 6th stock

Drives great around town, drives even better when beating it.

mrstage1
2011-02-09, 08:46 AM
I understand you had a hard time selling that setup.

Why did nobody want it?Davis, are you talking to me or someone else? If me then I had zero issues selling it. I really wasn't serious about selling it but Mo was aware of my research and the bennies of this type trans. When I even whispered I might sell it he stepped up and passed the cash.

mrstage1
2011-02-09, 09:06 AM
I have put 7500 miles on a face plated T56 w/o a refresh.

Face plated 1-4, 5th and 6th stock

Drives great around town, drives even better when beating it.I believe that. I had a Pro shifted Hemi 4 speed in a Cuda that drove OK on the street myself. But that doesn't make them a clutchless trans. Clutchless trans use engagement dogs with wide spaces and flat faces and no synchronizers. They also have straight cut gears. The straight cut gears and flat faces on the dogs use the load on the gear to stay put, when the load is removed they basically slide apart finding a nice neutral for ya. Ever notice how if a Prostock car gets a little out of shape NO ONE ever tries to pedal them and get back in it. Seems like every time they just cut it and putt down the track. Cause when they got out of shape and lifted the trans neutraled on them. This is what makes em hard to drive on the street without "tearing shit up"(expensive shit) as Davis put it in an earlier post.

AutomagicLS1
2011-02-09, 09:29 AM
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167335_1891344643063_1224927710_32375271_440184_n. jpgDam Moe is that where the oil lines go on top!:shock: Have one hell of a oil pump
mine's almost that high and I have a really long line feeding it & the turbo is actually getting too much oil pressure

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-09, 09:34 AM
I believe that. I had a face plated and Pro shifted Hemi 4 speed in a Cuda that drove OK on the street myself. But that doesn't make them a clutchless trans. Clutchless trans use engagement dogs with wide spaces and flat faces and no synchronizers. They also have straight cut gears. The straight cut gears and flat faces on the dogs use the load on the gear to stay put, when the load is removed they basically slide apart finding a nice neutral for ya. Ever notice how if a Prostock car gets a little out of shape NO ONE ever tries to pedal them and get back in it. Seems like every time they just cut it and putt down the track. Cause when they got out of shape and lifted the trans neutraled on them. This is what makes em hard to drive on the street without "tearing shit up"(expensive shit) as Davis put it in an earlier post.
Wait, pro shifted and faceplated are two different things, you can't have both done to the same gear at the same time lol

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-09, 09:35 AM
The idea is neat and works on paper, but they cut peoples feet off. NHRA says so.
So wait. You actually believe that a clutch is harder on parts than a tranny brake? Like, legitimately believe it?

tommygun
2011-02-09, 10:23 AM
I believe that. I had a face plated and Pro shifted Hemi 4 speed in a Cuda that drove OK on the street myself. But that doesn't make them a clutchless trans. Clutchless trans use engagement dogs with wide spaces and flat faces and no synchronizers. They also have straight cut gears. The straight cut gears and flat faces on the dogs use the load on the gear to stay put, when the load is removed they basically slide apart finding a nice neutral for ya. Ever notice how if a Prostock car gets a little out of shape NO ONE ever tries to pedal them and get back in it. Seems like every time they just cut it and putt down the track. Cause when they got out of shape and lifted the trans neutraled on them. This is what makes em hard to drive on the street without "tearing shit up"(expensive shit) as Davis put it in an earlier post.

It is straight geared. I shift it w/o the clutch.

I have had a liberty proshifted T5 that was a bag of ass driving, but G force has come out with gears and gear sets that work for driving and can take 1000hp. There are no synchros on 1-4. It runs motor oil for fluid. Lloyds A5 was driveable on the street. Technology is in the 2000s now and its not the 60s when trannies were junk to drive

Larry Larson's lenco has done great every year at drag week.

SUPRADRIVER
2011-02-09, 10:24 AM
Because no one else has said it, looks like an 8 second car to me.

NONOS
2011-02-09, 12:11 PM
mine's almost that high and I have a really long line feeding it & the turbo is actually getting too much oil pressure
Boy it just looks real big to me!! But I know nothing about turbos!:lolg:

LS1KILR
2011-02-09, 01:30 PM
looks like my old TV8101 turbo

what exhaust housing are you using?


Yep your right, its a TV8101. Good eye! It has a 1.34 a/r housing on it currently with a 91mm turbine wheel. Though I'm sending it off to majestic turbo to be rebuilt, at which I will have the housing change out for somewhere in the 1.08 to 1.14 range.

Buford
2011-02-09, 01:38 PM
Because no one else has said it, looks like an 8 second car to me.

Lol good call

MR2 Josh
2011-02-09, 01:50 PM
Your intake manifold sucksWhile this is more harsh than I would put it, I agree.

The rest looks like fun though. :thumbsup:

mrstage1
2011-02-09, 02:17 PM
It is straight geared. I shift it w/o the clutch.

I have had a liberty proshifted T5 that was a bag of ass driving, but G force has come out with gears and gear sets that work for driving and can take 1000hp. There are no synchros on 1-4. It runs motor oil for fluid. Lloyds A5 was driveable on the street. Technology is in the 2000s now and its not the 60s when trannies were junk to drive

Larry Larson's lenco has done great every year at drag week.I know it's the 2000's. LOL GForce themselves talked me out of driving one of their GF2000 trannies on the street themselves. I was adamant that I could do it but they said it's be a PITA as well as a maintenance fest running it on the street. Liberty said the same thing when I proposed running one of their units on the street also. Both said it CAN be done but not the most intelligent thing to do if the car is gonna see more than occasional short hops. Funny thing is both companies referred me to Lenco, which was my first choice. I only thought about true clutchless manuals as they are more efficient than a planetary style trans.

PS: I know Larsen runs a Lenco and knew they were streetable long before Larry made his name a household word in the fast street car community. I actually like the Jeffco unit as it's said to be a wee bit more efficent than a CS1 Lenco. CS2 and 3's are either too expensive for me or won't hold the power I am aiming for down the road so I have to compare against a CS1. Only drawback is Jeffco is a small company and I'm not so sure on their support if something did go wrong.

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-09, 02:59 PM
Proshifted trannies are a sack of assholes to daily drive. If you can get past driving it, have fun rebuilding it because you're daily driving it (or driving casually at all). Faceplating is the way to go for a street car if you are going to build some mega hot rod 5 speed and want to drive it all the time but don't want to work on it all the time. Just a simple fact of how much room for error/room for wear and tear there is in the faceplating as opposed to proshifting. As far as I'm concerned, fuck em all. I like that my car doesn't sound like it's going to break your face off every time I shift it under normal driving.

T.F.S.
2011-02-09, 04:00 PM
this is fucking awesome!

mrstage1
2011-02-09, 05:02 PM
Proshifted trannies are a sack of assholes to daily drive. If you can get past driving it, have fun rebuilding it because you're daily driving it (or driving casually at all). Faceplating is the way to go for a street car if you are going to build some mega hot rod 5 speed and want to drive it all the time but don't want to work on it all the time. Just a simple fact of how much room for error/room for wear and tear there is in the faceplating as opposed to proshifting. As far as I'm concerned, fuck em all. I like that my car doesn't sound like it's going to break your face off every time I shift it under normal driving.Oh come on ya weenie. You know real men like a whining, grinding trans in their street car that virtually makes you HAVE to rip it into the next gear for a decent shift. I thought my Pro-shifted Hemi 4 speed was great for about...ohhh...15 minutes til the coolness of it all wore off and I realized that driving this thing around town with a 9500rpm 340 in it that had 2 stroke torque off the line(even with 4.56 gears) was gonna be a CHORE despite a Vertigate inline shifter eliminating the H pattern. I suppose the unsprung copper paddle clutch in it didn't help much either though. LOL

turboeater
2011-02-09, 05:30 PM
Yet another turbo on my wish list.

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-09, 05:35 PM
Oh come on ya weenie. You know real men like a whining, grinding trans in their street car that virtually makes you HAVE to rip it into the next gear for a decent shift. I thought my Pro-shifted Hemi 4 speed was great for about...ohhh...15 minutes til the coolness of it all wore off and I realized that driving this thing around town with a 9500rpm 340 in it that had 2 stroke torque off the line(even with 4.56 gears) was gonna be a CHORE despite a Vertigate inline shifter eliminating the H pattern. I suppose the unsprung copper paddle clutch in it didn't help much either though. LOL
Yeah, pretty much fuck all of that shit. Stock clutch and transmission here lol

davisfrombelton
2011-02-10, 06:16 AM
So wait. You actually believe that a clutch is harder on parts than a tranny brake? Like, legitimately believe it?

In this case I am absolutely saying that.

I think you are isolating my argument to just the launch. I am also talking about going down the street or strip, at any throttle position his car is going to BANG so hard when it shifts he is going to think he gave birth.

Pny Pwr
2011-02-10, 07:20 AM
Yep your right, its a TV8101. Good eye! It has a 1.34 a/r housing on it currently with a 91mm turbine wheel. Though I'm sending it off to majestic turbo to be rebuilt, at which I will have the housing change out for somewhere in the 1.08 to 1.14 range.
Been there done that! Those turbos will make tons of power but can be tough to spool - expecially with that exhaust housing( I have run one with a 1.60 exhaust) I still have one sitting on a shelf just in case mt GT88 dumps on me....

If I ever finish puttin the car together

volksmech
2011-02-10, 08:16 AM
very nice mo. should be a beast.

mrstage1
2011-02-10, 08:51 AM
In this case I am absolutely saying that.

I think you are isolating my argument to just the launch. I am also talking about going down the street or strip, at any throttle position his car is going to BANG so hard when it shifts he is going to think he gave birth.Just use the clutch to shift and it'll be as smooth as butta. Racing, not using the clutch under full throttle the shifts feel like a built auto.

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-10, 06:32 PM
In this case I am absolutely saying that.

I think you are isolating my argument to just the launch. I am also talking about going down the street or strip, at any throttle position his car is going to BANG so hard when it shifts he is going to think he gave birth.
You're not thinking this through. The clutch doesn't become inoperable once the car is moving.

ImportKiller
2011-02-10, 07:01 PM
Looks good Mo. I wouldn't mind a piece of that Lincoln when you get the fuel straightened out on it.:thumbsup:

Unimaginablepower
2011-02-10, 11:58 PM
Damn, there are a lot of trans pros in this thread! :lolg:

The clutch TH400 has its place, its a solid peice if you are on a major budget crunch. (in this economy everyone is) I think I saw one on ebay a couple years back complete, fresh rebuilt w/ a new clutch for $400. Beats the hell out of having to shell out $800 on a converter!

As far as the proshifted, faceplated argument. I find it funny the people arguing about it don't spin their motors high enough that either would show a gain over a syncro'd trans! :cheers:

Buford
2011-02-11, 12:14 AM
I would like to add - I hate that there are so many red SN95 on this site! Fuck you all!

Unimaginablepower
2011-02-11, 12:14 AM
I would like to add - I hate that there are so many red SN95 on this site! Fuck you all!


Mine is black pal! :mrgreen:

Buford
2011-02-11, 12:18 AM
Mine is black pal! :mrgreen:

You're cool then. :cheers:

jwdb1fish
2011-02-11, 07:39 AM
I would like to add - I hate that there are so many red SN95 on this site! Fuck you all!

How many of them run?


:)

Looks good Mo.

davisfrombelton
2011-02-11, 07:42 AM
You're not thinking this through. The clutch doesn't become inoperable once the car is moving.

No, but it does replace a part the transmission was designed to work with that uses liquid, and makes the connection solid.

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-11, 07:56 AM
No, but it does replace a part the transmission was designed to work with that uses liquid, and makes the connection solid.
I'm still convinced you're trolling right now

Pny Pwr
2011-02-11, 07:57 AM
I would like to add - I hate that there are so many red SN95 on this site! Fuck you all!
Just because mine runs....


(mines slow)

Pny Pwr
2011-02-11, 09:11 AM
More fuel for the fire....

What is more destructive to the driveline, 1000ft/lbs or 1300ft/lbs of torque?


Torque converters multiply torque

mrstage1
2011-02-11, 09:11 AM
I'm still convinced you're trolling right nowI think it was troll....hearsay misinformation....troll.....misinformation....emba rrassment....deflection troll. Maybe that???

Also Joe: I shifted my 340 Mopar at 9400rpm. That high enough for ya?

fast895ohstang
2011-02-11, 10:23 AM
I think it was troll....hearsay misinformation....troll.....misinformation....emba rrassment....deflection troll. Maybe that???

Also Joe: I shifted my 340 Mopar at 9400rpm. That high enough for ya?

nothing sounds better than some old muscle spinning to the moon

mrstage1
2011-02-11, 11:38 AM
nothing sounds better than some old muscle spinning to the moonExcept when every time you spin it something supposedly called unbreakable by the Mopar guys around me......broke. Engine never gave me a problem but I absolutely made mincemeat out of some of Mopar's best drive train components seemingly every damn time I ran the car. Snapped pinions, destroyed ring gears, cracked trans mainshafts, cases split, driveshafts pretzeled. Ugh, at 19 on a gas station attendant's budget(back when full service was still available) I had to cave and sold all the hot shit to the guy I bought it from. He put it in a 69 Dart race car with an auto and went 10.20's. This was back in 1986.

Don't get me wrong it WAS cool when the Mopar guy I got the parts from said "Rev it til the valves float and back off a hundred." when I asked him what I should consider redline. I got to 9500 with no valve float and admit right here that I pussed out and wouldn't rev it any higher LOL.

turboeater
2011-02-11, 08:42 PM
More fuel for the fire....

What is more destructive to the driveline, 1000ft/lbs or 1300ft/lbs of torque?


Torque converters multiply torqueIf that were true in actuality my 450 rwhp 380 torque is only 190 torque?

davisfrombelton
2011-02-12, 05:30 AM
These transmission setups are NOT ALLOWED in NHRA.

Want to know why?

MyLittlePwny
2011-02-12, 05:41 AM
lol half of my car is illegal per the nhra, doesn't mean that the thing doesn't work.

elite_cyborg
2011-02-12, 10:28 AM
If that were true in actuality my 450 rwhp 380 torque is only 190 torque?

Do you drive a honda?

XstfudonnieX
2011-02-12, 11:12 AM
If that were true in actuality my 450 rwhp 380 torque is only 190 torque?
I think torque applied is much different than the torque the engine makes, :blah1:

ydahsmils
2011-02-12, 10:59 PM
Sweet! Keep up the work mo!

green93ta
2011-02-15, 11:21 PM
Cool build but get rid of that trany unless you plan on running 5.38 gears and only the 1/8 mile. There are resons no one runs that set up anymore. A. The tranybrake and B rpm recovery sucks after every shift.

Buford
2011-02-15, 11:27 PM
Damn, let me man race the car! Then critique it after he gets everything sorted out!

mrstage1
2011-02-16, 01:36 PM
Cool build but get rid of that trany unless you plan on running 5.38 gears and only the 1/8 mile. There are resons no one runs that set up anymore. A. The tranybrake and B rpm recovery sucks after every shift.What happens when you don't want to run a 5000 rpm stall on the street(which is what happens when you have small displacement with a big ass turbo)? You use a clutch to give you any stall speed you want.

What happens when you don't want use the clutch on shifts as it slows the car down and causes traction issues on shifts? You use a clutchless trans.

What happens when the name clutchless setup are oput of your budget? You use a cheaper version.

Where do you end up. Wit the trans he's got.

Now, as far as shift recovery. Not a problem with the upper end torque an 88mm turbo spooled up is putting out. Car should have a pretty wide powerband for it's displacement and seeing as how it can be revved past 7000 if needed I don't think recovery will be a problem. Lots of race cars run manual transmissions without crazy ass rear gears and have no preblems at all.


True test will be in the numbers when the car is done, until then it's all speculation from those who are just trying to justify their position on why it "won't" work. As posted before, let's wait and see.

I have had a funny thought lately though. Considering how everyone in the street scene in KC is a bunch of lemmings copying whatever the latest "hero" fast car has done to it, if this works out it'll be interesting to see how many naysayers try to do the same thing claiming all along they knew it was gonna be the shit.

turboeater
2011-02-16, 07:22 PM
Clutches in autos are like vibrators for women. They try and imitate the real thing and are better and quicker. Ask your girlfriends or wives. Bwaaaaaaaa

Pny Pwr
2011-02-16, 09:50 PM
looks like my old TV8101 turbo

what exhaust housing are you using?

ive played with a few
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/17571_1325445815243_1203822890_938804_3330184_n.jp g

mrstage1
2011-02-17, 12:28 PM
Clutches in autos are like vibrators for women. They try and imitate the real thing and are better and quicker. Ask your girlfriends or wives. BwaaaaaaaaLOL. I can ask her but I doubt I'm gonna get anything other than a mean mug expression.

green93ta
2011-02-17, 03:45 PM
What happens when you don't want to run a 5000 rpm stall on the street(which is what happens when you have small displacement with a big ass turbo)? You use a clutch to give you any stall speed you want.

What happens when you don't want use the clutch on shifts as it slows the car down and causes traction issues on shifts? You use a clutchless trans.

What happens when the name clutchless setup are oput of your budget? You use a cheaper version.

Where do you end up. Wit the trans he's got.

Now, as far as shift recovery. Not a problem with the upper end torque an 88mm turbo spooled up is putting out. Car should have a pretty wide powerband for it's displacement and seeing as how it can be revved past 7000 if needed I don't think recovery will be a problem. Lots of race cars run manual transmissions without crazy ass rear gears and have no preblems at all.


True test will be in the numbers when the car is done, until then it's all speculation from those who are just trying to justify their position on why it "won't" work. As posted before, let's wait and see.

I have had a funny thought lately though. Considering how everyone in the street scene in KC is a bunch of lemmings copying whatever the latest "hero" fast car has done to it, if this works out it'll be interesting to see how many naysayers try to do the same thing claiming all along they knew it was gonna be the shit.
you arent inventing the wheel. this set up has been around for years. hell i have 2 on the shelf at the shop. there is alot of stuff your not thinking about here. like most stick cars run 4 gears to keep the rpms from droping so much. you have 3. most 5 and 6 speeds have a first gear thats in the 3.xx to were yours is 2.48 and then you all are going to run a 3.23 i think i read? where most turbo stick cars run a 3.73. just some fast math say you shift at 7000 that means your first gear shift will drop you to 4300rpm and then 3rd gear shift will drop you to 4700. i dont know much about turbos but i bet with your size motor and turbo your not going to want that kind of rpm drop

green93ta
2011-02-17, 03:56 PM
also i read some where you all said its like a lenco. most lencos have 5 gears to where you have 3. far from a lenco. hope it all works out for you but people have tryed this set up for ever and have never got it to work. but maybe you all will

Shorty91
2011-02-17, 09:05 PM
:popcorn:

Gimpy
2011-02-17, 09:33 PM
Looks nice Mo.

mrstage1
2011-02-17, 09:49 PM
also i read some where you all said its like a lenco. most lencos have 5 gears to where you have 3. far from a lenco. hope it all works out for you but people have tryed this set up for ever and have never got it to work. but maybe you all willYou are thinking of Lencos for high strung N/A cars. Lots of big power cars(4 digits)use 3 and 4 speed Lencos. Some even use 2 speeds but generally those are Pro Mod power levels and they are doing all they can to pull some gear outta the car to keep it calmed down. As far as gearing I have mentioned to him that 3.23 may be a little tall, however the thought is that being he wants this to hook on the street, pulling gear away from the thing will help it not overpower the tires in the early part of the run. Remains to be seen. A gear swap is simple if it needs more down the road though.