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JDLM
2011-03-02, 12:28 AM
Even a regional nuclear war could spark "unprecedented" global cooling and reduce rainfall for years, according to U.S. government computer models.

Widespread famine and disease would likely follow, experts speculate.

During the Cold War a nuclear exchange between superpowers—such as the one feared for years between the United States and the former Soviet Union—was predicted to cause a "nuclear winter."

In that scenario hundreds of nuclear explosions spark huge fires, whose smoke, dust, and ash blot out the sun for weeks amid a backdrop of dangerous radiation levels. Much of humanity eventually dies of starvation and disease.

Today, with the United States the only standing superpower, nuclear winter is little more than a nightmare. But nuclear war remains a very real threat—for instance, between developing-world nuclear powers, such as India and Pakistan.

To see what climate effects such a regional nuclear conflict might have, scientists from NASA and other institutions modeled a war involving a hundred Hiroshima-level bombs, each packing the equivalent of 15,000 tons of TNT—just 0.03 percent of the world's current nuclear arsenal. (See a National Geographic magazine feature on weapons of mass destruction.)

The researchers predicted the resulting fires would kick up roughly five million metric tons of black carbon into the upper part of the troposphere, the lowest layer of the Earth's atmosphere.

In NASA climate models, this carbon then absorbed solar heat and, like a hot-air balloon, quickly lofted even higher, where the soot would take much longer to clear from the sky.

(Related: "'Nuclear Archaeologists' Find World War II Plutonium.")

Reversing Global Warming?

The global cooling caused by these high carbon clouds wouldn't be as catastrophic as a superpower-versus-superpower nuclear winter, but "the effects would still be regarded as leading to unprecedented climate change," research physical scientist Luke Oman said during a press briefing Friday at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, D.C.

Earth is currently in a long-term warming trend. After a regional nuclear war, though, average global temperatures would drop by 2.25 degrees F (1.25 degrees C) for two to three years afterward, the models suggest.

At the extreme, the tropics, Europe, Asia, and Alaska would cool by 5.4 to 7.2 degrees F (3 to 4 degrees C), according to the models. Parts of the Arctic and Antarctic would actually warm a bit, due to shifted wind and ocean-circulation patterns, the researchers said.

After ten years, average global temperatures would still be 0.9 degree F (0.5 degree C) lower than before the nuclear war, the models predict.

(Pictures: "Red Hot" Nuclear-Waste Train Glows in Infrared.)

Years Without Summer

For a time Earth would likely be a colder, hungrier planet.

"Our results suggest that agriculture could be severely impacted, especially in areas that are susceptible to late-spring and early-fall frosts," said Oman, of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.

"Examples similar to the crop failures and famines experienced following the Mount Tambora eruption in 1815 could be widespread and last several years," he added. That Indonesian volcano ushered in "the year without summer," a time of famines and unrest. (See pictures of the Mount Tambora eruption.)

All these changes would also alter circulation patterns in the tropical atmosphere, reducing precipitation by 10 percent globally for one to four years, the scientists said. Even after seven years, global average precipitation would be 5 percent lower than it was before the conflict, according to the model.

In addition, researcher Michael Mills, of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado, found large decreases in the protective ozone layer, leading to much more ultraviolet radiation reaching Earth's surface and harming the environment and people.

"The main message from our work," NASA's Oman said, "would be that even a regional nuclear conflict would have global consequences."

TWEETY
2011-03-02, 07:00 AM
And people are worried about cow farts, LOL

KillerK
2011-03-02, 08:44 AM
were fu*ked

Scooby24
2011-03-02, 08:49 AM
soooo, you're saying we should nuke someone? amirite?

Madrat
2011-03-04, 11:05 AM
You cannot reverse that which does not exist.

phreakdna
2011-03-04, 11:33 AM
You cannot reverse that which does not exist.
you cannot educate those who've convinced themselves of stupid fucking ideas that fly in the face of all known scientific evidence.

Scooby24
2011-03-04, 11:38 AM
you cannot educate those who've convinced themselves of stupid fucking ideas that fly in the face of all known scientific evidence.

Politicians have proved the scientists wrong. The politicians are ALWAYS right and have our best interests at heart.

Scientists are corrupt and money hungry and have a hidden agenda behind their falsified findings. They are being paid off by people with a 'green' agenda.

Didn't you get the memo?

Justin 05 STi
2011-03-04, 11:40 AM
It's really sad to see Sagan's theory flipped on its head like this.

YourWorstNightmare
2011-03-04, 12:06 PM
you cannot educate those who've convinced themselves of stupid fucking ideas that fly in the face of all known scientific evidence.


You can't help those who are so brainwashed by the media it's unbelievable, and refuse to seek help for their problem, and are in extreme denial over it.

calispec
2011-03-04, 12:42 PM
Carpets are dirty? You know, if you burn the house down then the carpets won't be a problem anymore...

Someone pull the plug on this guys funding.

phreakdna
2011-03-04, 12:53 PM
You can't help those who are so brainwashed by the media it's unbelievable, and refuse to seek help for their problem, and are in extreme denial over it.
this.

can you believe that after 5 independent investigations of the Climatic Research Unit email debacle, all of which found no systemic or significant wrongdoing, there are still media figures insisting that Climategate is real and showed that "global warming scientists" are frauds? and worse yet that since all of those media figures have the same general audience, its like an echo chamber of stupidity and people believe it?

if it weren't happening, I could hardly believe it was possible.

Hyper Blue
2011-03-06, 05:11 PM
You can't help those who are so brainwashed by the media and refuse to seek help for their problem...
This...
:lol2: I believe "Nightmare" is saying that those who DO believe in Global Warming are brainwashed.

MACHINE
2011-03-06, 06:01 PM
This Earth is going to warm and cool as it sees fit.

Hyper Blue
2011-03-06, 06:26 PM
This Earth is going to warm and cool as it sees fit.
No doubt the planet will correct whatever we fuck up.
The concern is over how we'll be affected in the meantime.

YourWorstNightmare
2011-03-06, 08:06 PM
No doubt the planet will correct whatever we fuck up.
The concern is over how we'll be affected in the meantime.

Well, in that case... you better buy stock in Corks. Start plugging cows buttholes, immediately, or we're all going to die!!

OMFGWHAAAAAOOOAAA!!!!!!!!!

:noes::noes::noes:

MACHINE
2011-03-07, 08:16 AM
No doubt the planet will correct whatever we fuck up.
The concern is over how we'll be affected in the meantime.

Indeed, but the Earth isn't warming because of us. It's warming because it wants to, as it has warmed and cooled since the beginning of its existence.

Fatguy
2011-03-07, 09:52 AM
Indeed, but the Earth isn't warming because of us. It's warming because it wants to, as it has warmed and cooled since the beginning of its existence.

Which is crazy if you consider the theory that the universe is "still expanding". So many different viewpoints to look at it from, which is why I love when Scientists and Politicians interact with one another.

At first everyone was like, "If the universe is still expanding, why isn't our planet cooling as we drift away from the sun?".

To which I had a great degree of laughter, with an implied facepalm.

There are generally two things that drive our temperature "change". Our distance from the Sun (like omg, we are orbiting it and stuff), and our Atmosphere.

This article, of course, focuses on the "damage" that could be done to the atmosphere, which would reduce (to a very small degree) the impact of solar radiation we soak up.

The part they really didn't get in depth with, was the impact on the plants of the earth. With a diminished capacity for photosynthesis, our atmospheric equilibrium becomes jeopardized. That is, after all, how we are here.

If said particles reach the atmosphere, photosynthesis is diminished slightly. If photosynthesis is diminished slightly, the Oxygen Output via photosynthesis (and consequent air pressure) will drop, not to a huge degree, but measurable. As the atmospheric pressure drops due to a lower oxygen displacement, you'll watch the barometric pressure drop on your barometer. As the barometric pressure drops, "bad" weather is more likely. Rain is pretty familiar with low pressure systems, and if there is any trace of radiation in the atmosphere, it has a chance of settling in with "nuclear rain", which is considerably more detrimental to our environment than the actual detonation of a Nuclear Bomb.

In other words, the scary part isn't the explosion. It is the idea of Radioactive particles getting into the atmosphere, lowering photosynthetic yield, and being brought back down on the planet, further lowering photosynthetic yield by contaminating and/or killing off photosynthetic plants.


One could conclude, having read all of that, that the Earth has been heating and cooling under the same "concept" for eons due to "collisions" with meteorites and other "happy" visitors to the planet earth, ie Asteroids and Meteors, though I think there is actually a scientific distinction that differentiates them due to impact with atmosphere, or something like that.

There are other large forces at work, of course, but that should paint a nice picture to "how" the earth would cool and whatnot.

Hyper Blue
2011-03-07, 04:29 PM
...Start plugging cows' buttholes immediately or we're all going to die!!

OMFGWHAAAAAOOOAAA!!!!!!!!!

:noes::noes::noes:
:skep2: What you do with animals in your private time is none of my concern.

Hyper Blue
2011-03-07, 04:30 PM
Indeed, but the Earth isn't warming because of us. It's warming because it wants to, as it has warmed and cooled since the beginning of its existence.
Ahhh...the natural cycle argument. Okay...let's see your evidence.

Timothy Leary
2011-03-07, 06:35 PM
While i agree that global warming is bullshit, at least the message is a good one. I can get behind taking better care of our earth. We take way to many things that it gives us for granted.

MACHINE
2011-03-07, 09:30 PM
While i agree that global warming is bullshit, at least the message is a good one. I can get behind taking better care of our earth. We take way to many things that it gives us for granted.

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