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Default The Two Ladies The L.A.P.D. Mistakenly Shot-up Got Paid

It appears this still isn't over and they BETTER be getting more than a measly $40k.

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LOS ANGELES (AP) The city has agreed to give $40,000 to two women whose pickup was shot up by a Police Department protection detail that mistook their newspaper delivery vehicle for the truck driven by rogue ex-cop Christopher Dorner during his rampage, officials announced Thursday.
The tax-free settlement covering the pickup and other property came quickly after the women's attorney, Glen Jonas, rejected Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck's offer of a replacement truck because the women would have had to pay taxes. The deal specified no admission of liability.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, were delivering papers around 5 a.m. Feb. 7 when LAPD officers guarding the suburban Torrance home of a Dorner target blasted at least 100 rounds into their Toyota pickup. Hernandez was shot in the back and Carranza had minor injuries.
Jonas said the women were still not doing well.
"Margie's still very emotionally impacted and Emma is suffering from her injuries," Jonas said.
Jonas, who noted he has waived all his fees, said he hoped that all other issues including personal injury can be resolved without the need to file a lawsuit or have a trial.
City Attorney Carmen Trutanich said the truck compensation was one of the fastest resolutions of a case he can remember in his term.
The women were expected to receive the money in two to four days.
The errant shooting in Torrance occurred just hours after Dorner shot and wounded a Los Angeles police officer in Riverside County and then ambushed two police officers in the city of Riverside, killing one and wounding the other.
Dorner was on the run in a Nissan Titan pickup after being named as the suspect in the murders of a retired LAPD captain's daughter and her fiance. The former captain had represented Dorner at an LAPD disciplinary hearing that led to his firing. The double-murder investigation led to discovery of a manifesto posted online by Dorner that vowed to wage war on Los Angeles police.
Dorner hid out in the San Bernardino Mountains until Feb. 12, when he tried to flee but law enforcement converged on him. Dorner killed one sheriff's deputy and wounded another in a gunbattle that ended with fire consuming the cabin he holed up in. Authorities believe he killed himself with a gunshot to the head.
The attack on the women's pickup truck wasn't the only mistaken police shooting that morning in Torrance. Moments later, nearby local police opened fire on a pickup truck driven by a surfer heading to the beach.
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Let's not be mistaken here. They got paid for the truck, not for their pain and/or suffering.
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$40k? What a shitty settlement. Also 100 shots into a truck and they couldn't get a kill shot? Sounds like the people I want protecting me...
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$40k? What a shitty settlement. Also 100 shots into a truck and they couldn't get a kill shot? Sounds like the people I want protecting me...
No shit. I'm really confused on how you can fire 100 rounds into a truck and miss. The back of the truck looked like swiss cheese.
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What kind of settlement is that? 40k?
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I'd be surprised if the city can even afford to give them more than $40k. That state is always fucking broke.
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Lol can u even buy a new truck for 40k
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The 40k is for the TRUCK.

They paid them out a settlement to replace the truck. The settlement for the two of them has not been made yet but it will undoubtedly be MUCH more than 40k.


Also, the comments about the rounds. Most likely they were using hollow points, so as soon as it hit the tailgate they would start to peel back and lose most of their velocity, then if they made it to the cab they would most like stop in the cab and not make it through the 2 seats to hit them. I believe one round hit one of the females?

If they were using FMJ then they would both be dead id think.
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Could you imagine if the cops would of driven by a Nissan dealer? They probably would of shot up the whole lot.
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It irks me that the LAPD are expected to settle (read throw money at) this out of court and wash their hands of it. I'd rather it go to trial and charges of negligence be brought. Right and wrong, bought and sold every day here in America.
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It irks me that the LAPD are expected to settle (read throw money at) this out of court and wash their hands of it. I'd rather it go to trial and charges of negligence be brought. Right and wrong, bought and sold every day here in America.
No one, including these women, care about the criminal side of things anymore. They only care about the civil payout that one can get from a situation like this.
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The 40k is for the TRUCK.

They paid them out a settlement to replace the truck. The settlement for the two of them has not been made yet but it will undoubtedly be MUCH more than 40k.


Also, the comments about the rounds. Most likely they were using hollow points, so as soon as it hit the tailgate they would start to peel back and lose most of their velocity, then if they made it to the cab they would most like stop in the cab and not make it through the 2 seats to hit them. I believe one round hit one of the females?

If they were using FMJ then they would both be dead id think.
Or the fact that they can't aim for dog shit.
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The truck was the target, they hit it over 100 times....
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TIL Chris Dorner is a Toyota Tacoma.
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Cops don't shoot trucks as targets... You think we're stupid? Wait, don't answer that.
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I'm really confused on how you can fire 100 rounds into a truck and miss.
Obviously those were warning shots.
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well if your ever being shot at make sure your in one of those trucks, aparently their mostly bullet proof
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The next time someone tells you that we need tort reform and that plaintiff's/personal injury lawyers are scum sucking ambulance chasers, remember this case. It demonstrates a number of reasons why the tort system does not need to be "reformed" and that Plaintiff's lawyers aren't as bad as those who force injured folks to go to court.

1. Organizations are often not responsible for their actions. The goal of any business is to make money, it is as simple as that. If making money means injuring people because it is cheaper to pay for injured folks than redesign a product or manufacture a better product than they are going to injure people. Google "Ivey Memo" if you want to see one of the clearest examples of a company deciding to let people burn to death (literally) because the expected pay out for people burning to death was $2.20 per vehicle while the fix that would prevent them from burning to death was $2.40 per vehicle. Sure those lawsuits may have made the vehicles more expensive (politician talking point: "making it more expensive to do business and create jobs"), but they also prevented your grandma and grandpa from being trapped in a vehicle which was overcome by flames, from the outside in.

In this case, the LAPD refused to replace the truck even after they shot it up. I don't care about an "investigation" or "process," this was a clear cut of an example of a time where an organization needed to cut a check within a week as you can think up.

2. The jury system, which relies on people like you to determine right or wrong, is the ultimate expression of the power of individual people over corporations or the government because it makes those entities become responsible for their actions. The threat of a larger lawsuit is what undoubtedly led the LAPD to cut a check.

Would you rather have a judge (either appointed by a politician who accepts corporate money or elected in an election full of corporate money) decide what was right or wrong or 6-12 folks from a jury pool?

3. The groups which champion tort reform are often those who have the most to gain from it, namely businesses or groups which tend to injure lots of people and who want to pay out less, or nothing at all, when they do so.

We could discuss the goals of tort reform for weeks, but I'll choose one - damage caps. Did you know that if a person was to paralyze you, your recoverable damages in Kansas would be limited to: (1) Past medical expenses; (2) future medical expenses; (3) lost wages; (4) future lost wages; and (5) non-economic damages of $250,000. What are non-economic damages? These are pain, suffering, disfigurement, loss of quality of life, etc. So in other words, the tort reform industry has made it so that, in Kansas, you being forced to go through the rest of your life as a quadriplegic is only worth $250,000. Think about that for a minute.

Kansas has the same $250,000 cap for a wrongful death. I recently represented the family of a man who was killed in a flash fire in Junction City. Liability was clearly not on him because his employer was shipped a reformulated product without a new MSDS or labeling that lowered the flash point of the chemical from 187 degrees to 3 degrees. This was one of the most horrific deaths I have ever worked on. Despite that, his wrongful death case was capped at $250,000 for non-economic damages.

My apologies for the rant. There is no doubt these women will get more than the belated $40,000 for their truck, however can anyone say they don't deserve it?
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The truck was the target, they hit it over 100 times....
That fucking truck deserved it, you saw how it looked at his wife.

Seriously, you arent stopping a fucking truck with a 9mm. Youre shooting at the person driving the truck (at least you are supposed to). You are right on the HPs though, those dont penetrate for shit (by design). Still doesnt change the fact that they were lighting up the WRONG truck without confirming who was inside or that it was even a legit threat. Had anyone actually been able to aim enough to hit the upper portion of the cabin immediately those women would have been murdered by stupidity.
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Tort reform is needed. Sure not all cases are full of scum sucking mooches with even scummier lawyers but there are enough of them that we need reform. Reform wouldnt prevent legit cases of negligence, only help reduce frivolous cases and irrational judgements.

My plan wouldn't stop any legitimate case and would hold both the plaintiff and his lawyer responsible for the validity of the case.
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That fucking truck deserved it, you saw how it looked at his wife.

Seriously, you arent stopping a fucking truck with a 9mm. Youre shooting at the person driving the truck.
And what is the officer aiming at? The barely visible very small head they might or might not be able to see? Or the big blue "mass" of a tailgate that is easily visible and at about the level that "center mass" would be at?

They werent going for precision kill shots and in their haste they reverted to habits formed in training which caused them to shoot at the tailgate. That, the truck, became their target.

They're still morons and the dept is getting ready to have to cut a check that will make the 40k look like pennies.
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LOL, yeah because shooting at the part of the truck that would likely contain the driver is some fucking precision shooting compared to just lighting up a tailgate. Im not even a very skilled or practiced shooter and I have had no problems getting all rounds at least on paper at the back of the bullet hole, you'd think someone who constantly practices and has extensive training would be able to hit the cabin on the regular.
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In training you learn to shoot the tailgate of a truck?

Are you supposed to shoot the trunk lid on a car then?
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Not saying that. Im saying that it seems in that situation they were shooting very fast and most likely "straight and level" which is why the tailgate took the beating. Its a bright color that would attract their eyes and aim.

Sure, when you are in the bullet hole with no stress on you you can hit whatever you want. A truck driving away that for some reason they believed (or didnt depending what you believe) to be a cop killer could cause some tunnel vision and diminished fine motor skills which puts gross motor skills and mental habit in play.

Im saying something was in play that caused them to blast the shit out of the tailgate, and mental acuity is a possible factor here.
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I'm a soldier. I'm pretty sure I wouldnt pull a retard and shoot the tailgate either. That's just wasting rounds and being reckless. No way to justify it unless a picture of Dorner was taped to it or something. A private has more skill.
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