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And there is part of why I say don't worry so much about complex vs simple carbs.

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ok , so with all the questions between what carbs are better for dieting ive decided to be a test rat for the benefit of everybody who had question.

so far today this is what i have gotten as you can see their is very little differance between the fresh pineapple and sweet potatos ,though their are slight differances that make have made a differance like the fat in the first meal from the milk and the broccoli in the third meal. Im gonna continue to do more testing the rest of the day as i have two more carb meals and im gonna take one for the team and eat brown rice even though it bloats the fuck out of me.
tommorrow im gonna use differant fruits and some oats and alot more skim milk with first meal with no fruit to see what milk actualy does.
I have stawberries , blueberries and apples on hand if anybody wants anything else looked at let me know and ill stop by the store and give it a go.
granted this isint real accurate due to just being one person but i feel it'll be more accurate that going by "common knowledge" that so readly available.

I also just got my glucophage in and i plan to do the same thing but with that in my system to see what effects it has , i did this test once before while running a no carb diet to see how long it took for blood suge to get back to a "fasted" state.

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4:45am , fasted BG 79
5:00am , 12 oz raw goat milk , 4oz LBA’s and a big banana
(52g-P , 45g-C , 15g-F)
5:30am BG 119
6:00am BG 123

7:30am BG 94
7:45am , 4oz Tilapia , 6oz baked chicken , 12oz fresh pineapple
(70GP , 44g-C , 9g-F)
8:15am , BG 123
9:00am , BG 128

11:30am , BG 97
11:45am , 10oz chicken , 8oz sweet potatos , 1 cup broccoli
(70g-P , 40g-C , 10g-F)
12:30am , BG 121
1:00pm, BG 122
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from another person, a Type one diabetic

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I am Type 1 Diabetic and i Wear a continuous glucose monitor. It check my BG every minute and displays on a wireless device.

Fruits and veggies, I do not even need insulin. For example my first three meals have 85g of Spinach, 70g Blueberries or Pinapple, and 10g Walnuts, or coconut or olive oil.

Went all day with no insulin and perfect blood sugars. I gave a shot before and after my workout as I had starchy carbs.

If I have oats, or yams or whatever i need a larger insulin response, but for the meal I listed above, sometimes I will give .5Iu at breakfast and I am good until 6:30pm when I get out of the gym and have a starchy carb source
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more BG testing

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4:00am BG 89 (before fasted cardio)
5:15am BG 87
5:30am 1 cup instant oats with 2 scoops Egg protein and 2ounces LBA's
6:00am BG 129
6:30am BG 128
7:00am BG 123

8:00 BG 109
8:15 10oz Tilapa , 12 fresh orange slices
8:45 BG 137
9:15 BG 132
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10:30am BG 98
10:45am 10oz baked chicken , 6oz long grain brown rice (steamed)
11:15am BG 131
12:00pm 127


1:00pm BG 99
1:15pm 4oz chicken , 4oz tilapia , 2oz LBA's , 8oz mashed boiled red potatos
1:45pm 139
2:30pm 130

3:30pm BG 96
3:35pm 4oz LBA's no fat or carbs
4:00 train
4:45 BG 87
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OK , so today i went back on my basic diet but added 1/2 a 500mg Gluphage pre meal

4:00am BG 87 (before fasted cardio)
5:15am BG 86 (took 250mg glucophage right after taking reading)
5:30am 12oz fresh pineapple , shake 2 scoops Egg protein and 2ounces LBA's
6:00am BG 99
6:30am BG 104
7:00am BG 101

8:00 BG 92 (take other half of glucophage after reading)
8:15 5oz chicken , 5oz Tilapa , 6oz sweet potatos , 6oz pineapple
8:45 BG 101
9:30 BG 100

10:30am BG 91 (take 250mg glucophage after reading)
10:45am 10oz baked chicken , 4oz sweet potatos , 5oz blueberries , 1 cup asparagus tips
11:15am BG 103
12:00pm 101

So the glucophage does a great job of keeping blood sugar down at low dose and doesnt upset my stomach nearly as bad as 500mg does. Im thinking this is gonna be a staple in the daily lunch box , it is notted that glucophage reduced the production on IGF in some people
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take note of the blood glucose results with a little glucophage added in the last three meals , very very intersting !!

BG= Blood Glucose level

4:45am , fasted BG 79
5:00am , 12 oz raw goat milk , 4oz LBA’s and a big banana
5:30am BG 119
6:00am BG 123

7:30am BG 94
7:45am , 4oz Tilapia , 6oz baked chicken , 12oz fresh pineapple
8:15am , BG 123
9:00am , BG 128

11:30am , BG 97
11:45am , 10oz chicken , 8oz sweet potatos , 1 cup broccoli
12:30am , BG 121
1:00pm, BG 122

4:00am BG 89 (before fasted cardio)
5:15am BG 87
5:30am 1 cup instant oats with 2 scoops Egg protein and 2ounces LBA's
6:00am BG 129
6:30am BG 128
7:00am BG 123

8:00 BG 109
8:15 10oz Tilapa , 12 fresh orange slices
8:45 BG 137
9:15 BG 136

10:30am BG 98
10:45am 10oz baked chicken , 6oz long grain brown rice (steamed)
11:15am BG 131
12:00pm 127


1:00pm BG 99
1:15pm 4oz chicken , 4oz tilapia , 2oz LBA's , 8oz mashed boiled red potatos
1:45pm 139
2:30pm 130

3:30pm BG 96
3:35pm 4oz LBA's no fat or carbs
4:00 train
4:45 BG 87
4:00am BG 87 (before fasted cardio)

5:15am BG 86 (took 250mg glucophage right after taking reading)
5:30am 12oz fresh pineapple , shake 2 scoops Egg protein and 2ounces LBA's
6:00am BG 99
6:30am BG 104
7:00am BG 101

8:00 BG 92 (take other half of glucophage after reading)
8:15 5oz chicken , 5oz Tilapa , 6oz sweet potatos , 6oz pineapple
8:45 BG 101
9:30 BG 100

10:30am BG 91 (take 250mg glucophage after reading)
10:45am 10oz baked chicken , 4oz sweet potatos , 5oz blueberries , 1 cup asparagus tips
11:15am BG 103
12:00pm BG 101
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I pretty much agree with this and have always thought the same way.

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OK , so the question was posed to me

"that's a great study but what about the sugar conversion for the sugar in the fruit? it's still gonna make you fat right?"

I'm not the brightest star in the sky but I was thinking it diden't matter where the carbs came from if it were oat of pure dextrose , all that mattered was the actual effect it had on the blood glucose.
am I out of line with this thinking ??
ive seen so e brilliant minds check in on those post from time to time would somebody please throw this poor ol redneck for Missisippi a bone here?
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I love fruit as a carb source....

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For the longest time I though I just couldent digest carbs so I avoided them but after trying eating fruit and added sweet potatoes , after doing his I felt much much better and had carbs to help fuel my workouts
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Just curious was this entire thing done by a Type 1 Diabetic? I am Type 1 and I will tell you first hand that fruit or any kind of carb will raise my Blood sugar. I use insulin to bring my blood sugar back in range.

These are very interesting finding and TBH the BG's look really really good if the person is a type 1 diabetic. I would like to know if they are on just one big shot of Lantus or if they use rapid acting insulin just a little bit. My insulin to carb ration is 1:15. So for every 15 NET grams of carbs I take 1 unit of rapid acting insulin. I just looked up Glucophage and it is Metaformin. That is a drug used for patient that are extremely insulin resistant. I have the opposite problem I am insulin sensitive unless I become a lazyass then that goes away.

A few things I have noticed with my BG and working out. I can't workout unless my BG is at least 150 if not a little higher if it isn't I will need something to eat to bring it up whether that be the no bake energy balls or some sort of fruit or gatorade. I will go low otherwise. Weightlifting makes my BG's go up at first then they will be lower the rest of the day/next day and so on. If I don't lift for a whole week My BG's will start to creep up all day. So I use exercise to help with my overall control.

From what I can see this person is eating a lot of fiber then the carbs he is eating might just not be much over the fiber count.

Net carbs is what a diabetic worries about Fiber actually cancels out the carbs.
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no, only the one post was from a type 1.
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you missed the entire point. IE: you go on and one about complex vs simple carbs in many other post

also, he's not eating a TON of fiber. A moderate amount as everyone should be. his total carb count is probably 10x his fiber count. at least.
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you missed the entire point. IE: you go on and one about complex vs simple carbs in many other post

also, he's not eating a TON of fiber. A moderate amount as everyone should be. his total carb count is probably 10x his fiber count. at least.
Okay well that explains a lot. My point comes from someone who doesn't produce insulin naturally. It is a fact that if you eat certain kinds of foods it will raise your blood sugar faster than others. The simpler the carb the faster it will raise it.

I know this for a fact because sometimes when a person is really low you need to get them the fastest acting carbs. Meaning if I am low I know that simple carbs will raise my BG within 15 minutes, some more complex carbs will take longer. I have noticed this when fiber is introduced. The way fiber actually reduces the NET carbs is by basically slowing down the digestion or absorption of the carbs. Sometimes fiber can leave a weird tail on how the cabrs are digested. Example would be Mission Carb Balance wraps. They have like 20 grams of carbs, of which 10 grams is fiber. If I eat one of these wraps with nothing else in it I will notice my numbers are good for the first 2 hours then 2.5 hours later my BG will spike out of no where. So I will have to take a correction dose. Keep in mind I don't have stomach issues that delay digestion.

If I eat something that is truly whole grain that has a good amount of fiber I don't have the same issue. Such as the lower calorie bread. It has a lot of fiber, but doesn't cause the same weird spike in BG the mission carb balance wrap does.

Fat, protein, and fiber all slow down the digestion of carbs. For a person who isn't diabetic your pancreas takes care of all this guess work. A normal person could eat 80 carbs from sweets and 1 hour later their BG would maybe 120 or so. If mine was 180-190 I would be pretty happy and 2 hours after my BG would be back to normal.

It does play a part, but for someone how has a properly functioning immune system and pancreas there is no guess work. The normal digestive process goes your throat senses there is food incoming and will signal the pancreas to ramp up insulin production and will start dumping it in. After which after you body has figured out how much you eat it will stop the insulin production and if it senses your body may get low it will produce the hormone Glucagon to help release sugar from the liver to bring it back to a normal state.

A diabetic doesn't have that so you have a meter to test with and a brain to think with.
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righ.......but even to non diabetics you always chime in about simple vs. complex carbs in many threads....this shows what can happen in a non diabetic when using either kind of carb....not much difference....so why does it matter so much to non diabetics...to me, it doesn't and i've always thought that.

this was never about diabetics, you or how a diabetic responds to carbs.
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It's just an observation I have. After a workout you still would want a simple carb diabetic or not to get the that big insulin spike going. Dieticians recommend that. 1 Hour later is not what you want to look at you want to look at 15 minutes after eat there should be a spike.
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you just need to get food in. there really is MINIMAL to no difference between on what will happen as far as recovery, growth etc if you were to take in a gatorade vs sweet potato after a workout.

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