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Pretty much. As long as it makes money, most people are always willing to look the other direction especially when it comes to athletes.
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I do love the mentality of "they make millions and need to shut up and just play."

Many athletes are the ones fortunate enough to get out of rough situations, and are trying to bring light to the issues they dealt with for those who aren't as fortunate. I don't see why people have such a hard time seeing that.
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I do love the mentality of "they make millions and need to shut up and just play."

Many athletes are the ones fortunate enough to get out of rough situations, and are trying to bring light to the issues they dealt with for those who aren't as fortunate. I don't see why people have such a hard time seeing that.
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The NFL will soon be exploring a way to address the national anthem matter. Jerry Jones is saying his players must stand or they'll get benched based on his interpretation of the NFL handbook which says players "should" stand for the national anthem. No where does it say they are required to. Jerry (and the NFL) will soon find out that it's the players that are making him and the league the money and the players ultimately have the control, not him.
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The NFL will soon be exploring a way to address the national anthem matter. Jerry Jones is saying his players must stand or they'll get benched based on his interpretation of the NFL handbook which says players "should" stand for the national anthem. No where does it say they are required to. Jerry (and the NFL) will soon find out that it's the players that are making him and the league the money and the players ultimately have the control, not him.
I am curious what players will decide to tow the line and which will defy ol' Jerry.
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I am curious what players will decide to tow the line and which will defy ol' Jerry.
I'm curious to see how much money the NFL is willing to lose due to people not watching the game because of the sitting/kneeling.
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I'm curious to see how much money the NFL is willing to lose due to people not watching the game because of the sitting/kneeling.
the NFL has TV contracts through 2021-2022. they aren't affected monetarily by a small group of uber "patriots" averting their eyes...
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I'm curious to see how much money the NFL is willing to lose due to people not watching the game because of the sitting/kneeling.
I don't think you and other's so avidly against it realize how many people don't give a fuck and are still watching.
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The NFL will soon be exploring a way to address the national anthem matter. Jerry Jones is saying his players must stand or they'll get benched based on his interpretation of the NFL handbook which says players "should" stand for the national anthem. No where does it say they are required to. Jerry (and the NFL) will soon find out that it's the players that are making him and the league the money and the players ultimately have the control, not him.
I'm undecided how I feel about it.

It's a very fine balance between the two. On one hand you're right, the players make the game, but the players aren't there JUST because they love the game. They also like getting paid fat contracts. That's where the league/owners can have equal pull over them.
"Ok, you don't want to stand"?
"Then how about we fine you or perhaps not give you AS fat of a contract"... I'm speaking hypothetically, but who knows how far this will go...
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I'm curious to see how much money the NFL is willing to lose due to people not watching the game because of the sitting/kneeling.
The NFL has been loosing viewership for years due to many things including safety (i.e., well documented brain injuries), denial (see brain injuries), lack of younger kids not playing football (see brain injuries), Trump (brain injury), and it's f-ing boring to watch and it's unsafe as well. And this is coming directly from someone that played football from 8th grade to 12th grade. LOL.
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The NFL has been loosing viewership for years due to many things including safety (i.e., well documented brain injuries), denial (see brain injuries), lack of younger kids not playing football (see brain injuries), Trump (brain injury), and it's f-ing boring to watch and it's unsafe as well. And this is coming directly from someone that played football from 8th grade to 12th grade. LOL.
Well if you're a conspiracy theorist, then you might say this whole national anthem debacle was engineered to take the focus off of the CTE scandal.
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NFL is reeling this year.

And for those saying it's not effecting the bottom line, that's just untrue. Sponsors pay less when the product is not hitting as many eyes. The NFL has already lost hundreds of millions in the first quarter of the season, attributed to the steep decline in viewership.
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The NFL has been declining in viewership for years:



http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nfl-...ason-playoffs/

They've been declining on average 8% a year, which is roughly where this year is at from last year.

Could the cause be players kneeling? Sure. But statistics would have estimated that this drop in viewership would have happened anyways.
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http://taskandpurpose.com/president-...olors-started/

Seems as though Trump doesn't respect the flag or military tradition.. hmm.
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Seems as though Trump doesn't respect the flag or military tradition.. hmm.
Yeah worse than any perceived hypocrisy (which isn't too hard to see), is he doesn't even know the song. The leader of our military doesn't know what that song is.

I didn't... but I'm a civilian that typed soldiers when referring to sailors. The Commander-in-chief doesn't know what it is? Wow.

Trump sucks so bad, as a person for sure... and so far as a President.
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http://taskandpurpose.com/president-...olors-started/

Seems as though Trump doesn't respect the flag or military tradition.. hmm.
Wheres DIY to explain why this isn't a big deal?
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Yeah worse than any perceived hypocrisy (which isn't too hard to see), is he doesn't even know the song. The leader of our military doesn't know what that song is.

I didn't... but I'm a civilian that typed soldiers when referring to sailors. The Commander-in-chief doesn't know what it is? Wow.

Trump sucks so bad, as a person for sure... and so far as a President.
My dad grew up on bases, my uncle was in the military. They've told me how people used to try to RUSH off base after their shift to beat Retreat so they didn't get stopped by it . From what they've said, it's mandatory that if it starts playing and you're on base, even if you're driving a car, you need to stop, get out, stand, take your hat off, and place your hand over your heart until it's over.

They definitely weren't playing it for Sean Hannity's ratings. They were playing it because it's a centuries (plural) old tradition and is done for one purpose: secure the flag and respect what it stands for.

In Trumps own words, 'someone should fire that son of a bitch'.
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My dad grew up on bases, my uncle was in the military. They've told me how people used to try to RUSH off base after their shift to beat Retreat so they didn't get stopped by it . From what they've said, it's mandatory that if it starts playing and you're on base, even if you're driving a car, you need to stop, get out, stand, take your hat off, and place your hand over your heart until it's over.

They definitely weren't playing it for Sean Hannity's ratings. They were playing it because it's a centuries (plural) old tradition and is done for one purpose: secure the flag and respect what it stands for.

In Trumps own words, 'someone should fire that son of a bitch'.
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There were/are people that tried to avoid it, that was on them, you always stop, face the flag render a salute and go on about your day/evening.
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My dad grew up on bases, my uncle was in the military. They've told me how people used to try to RUSH off base after their shift to beat Retreat so they didn't get stopped by it . From what they've said, it's mandatory that if it starts playing and you're on base, even if you're driving a car, you need to stop, get out, stand, take your hat off, and place your hand over your heart until it's over.

They definitely weren't playing it for Sean Hannity's ratings. They were playing it because it's a centuries (plural) old tradition and is done for one purpose: secure the flag and respect what it stands for.

In Trumps own words, 'someone should fire that son of a bitch'.
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People can and should be able to choose who they give their respect to for any number of reasons.

However, I also feel that anyone that says athletes shouldn't be allowed to engage in peaceful protest however they choose to do so are FAR more un-American than those that are protesting.

Anyone who knows anything about our country knows that it was built on the foundation of the freedom to do exactly what they're choosing to do. As far as the military is concerned, the men and women of our military are there to protect these individuals right to protest whether or not they all agree with it.
not sure if your aware but many companies ban political discussion on premises, you can do so after hours, outside of work.

These athletes are pretty much leveraging their position as an entertainer on tv, and therefore their JOB, to make a public political statement. this is why alot of people are upset and think it is wrong, they should utilize other outlets for protest, such as social media, or actually goign out with the rest of john Q public and holding up a sign( but we know they feel that John Q pub is beneath them), or they could even utilize their contacts in media to get interviews to discuss their political aspirations.

rather then show complete disrespect to many, and the country, by not standing for the anthem.

i view standing for the anthem as a symbolic respect for the countries heritage and original dream, after all, we fought off the largest military might in the world in 1776, and WON, why not be proud of that?
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not sure if your aware but many companies ban political discussion on premises, you can do so after hours, outside of work.

These athletes are pretty much leveraging their position as an entertainer on tv, and therefore their JOB, to make a public political statement. this is why alot of people are upset and think it is wrong, they should utilize other outlets for protest, such as social media, or actually goign out with the rest of john Q public and holding up a sign( but we know they feel that John Q pub is beneath them), or they could even utilize their contacts in media to get interviews to discuss their political aspirations.

rather then show complete disrespect to many, and the country, by not standing for the anthem.

i view standing for the anthem as a symbolic respect for the countries heritage and original dream, after all, we fought off the largest military might in the world in 1776, and WON, why not be proud of that?
How about we stop doing the national anthem before sporting events then and bringing the military into the NFL? People say they want to separate sports and politics yet are okay with these things happening at sporting events.
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How about we stop doing the national anthem before sporting events then and bringing the military into the NFL? People say they want to separate sports and politics yet are okay with these things happening at sporting events.
speaking to the nfl only, they will never have a seperation as long as the military is a paying sponsor. i agree though, the national anthem before a sporting event is pretty weird. i can see playing it when it is team usa, but that's about it.

the real question is, when will old donny pull the tax exempt status from the nfl?
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meh, i would say OK go ahead, but it is an already entrenched tradition, and i do not know why so i would have to search as to how it started and why before i actually said fine go ahead.

however doing so would also provide many with essentially what they want anyway for the whole "pro-protesting at a game by players" bit.

besides, the playing of the national anthem isn't actually a political event, it is an ALLEGIANT event with no real political leanings. the protesting is political, but all sides, generally, stand and pay respects, at least they do if your not a player, but a member of the audience.
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