Mirror Finish Polishing ~ 1-816-529-6089 ~ sales@mirrorfinishpolishing.com ~ mirrorfinishpolishing.com For the best rate on home, auto, life or business/commercial insurance call me at 888-959-0955, cell 636-734-1310 or bricehazelwood@weiss-ins.com. Never Done Garage - donewhenimdead.com Peerless Automotive Reconditioning - 1155 W. Dennis Ave, Olathe Ks, 66061 - 913-893-1201 Mark H. Epstein ~ The Epstein Law Firm, LLC ~ 913-396-5123 Wilkes Automotive ~ wilkesautomotive.com ~ 246 Marion St, Olathe, KS 66061 ~ 913-254-7171 Skandalous Inc ~ www.skandalousinc.com DIY Auto Repair Inc ~ www.diyautorepairkc.com ~ 11509 Strangline Rd, Olathe KS 66062 ~ 913-226-3806 Your advertisement here! The Law Offices of Jeremiah Johnson, LLC ~ 104 E. Poplar, Olathe, KS 66061 ~ (913)764-5010 ~ www.kcatty.com - www.johnsoncountydui.com ~ jeremiah@kcatty.com Santa Fe Body, Inc ~ 8717 Lenexa Drive, Overland Park, KS 66214 ~ (913) 894-6090 House of Boost LLC Nude? HouseofHID.com - The #1 source for HID The Print Shop KC 816.200.6694 or Ryan@RMD-Photography.com the art of tyleR ~ http://tyleR.bigcartel.com ~ TYLERcoey.com ~ MUTTtoy.com ~ MUTTtoy@gmail.com W-K Chevrolet Buick Pontiac Cadillac GMC ~ 3310 W. Broadway, Sedalia, MO 65301 ~ 800-382-5088 ~ Cell 660-553-8928 ~ dustin@wkchevy.com ~ www.wkchevy.com

Go Back   KCSR - THE Kansas City Forum > General Forums > Politics, Religion, Current Events

Reply
Thread Tools
Unread 2017-08-11, 11:05 AM   #451
Keboh
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Overland Park
Posts: 13,626
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 213
Thanks (Received): 252
Likes (Given): 2483
Likes (Received): 1671
Dislikes (Given): 24
Dislikes (Received): 47
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mild83 View Post
Also china knows it can't F with the US of Fucking A.
They also know we can't really fuck with them, either.
Keboh is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 11:21 AM   #452
mild83
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: cabrini green
Posts: 14,293
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 927
Thanks (Received): 335
Likes (Given): 6348
Likes (Received): 2732
Dislikes (Given): 128
Dislikes (Received): 131
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keboh View Post
They also know we can't really fuck with them, either.
Depends on how you look at it, I guess. In a conventional war, we would beat them, albeit likely with heavy DL casualties from both nations.
mild83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 11:32 AM   #453
Keboh
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Overland Park
Posts: 13,626
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 213
Thanks (Received): 252
Likes (Given): 2483
Likes (Received): 1671
Dislikes (Given): 24
Dislikes (Received): 47
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mild83 View Post
Depends on how you look at it, I guess. In a conventional war, we would beat them, albeit likely with heavy DL casualties from both nations.
I'm looking at it through the lense of reality. Military strength means fuck-all with China right now. There is almost zero chance we will actually get involved in an armed conflict with them. Our economies are too intertwined for that even be on the table in almost any foreseeable scenario.
Keboh is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 11:49 AM   #454
mild83
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: cabrini green
Posts: 14,293
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 927
Thanks (Received): 335
Likes (Given): 6348
Likes (Received): 2732
Dislikes (Given): 128
Dislikes (Received): 131
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keboh View Post
I'm looking at it through the lense of reality. Military strength means fuck-all with China right now. There is almost zero chance we will actually get involved in an armed conflict with them. Our economies are too intertwined for that even be on the table in almost any foreseeable scenario.
I agree.

My post was in regards to the hypothetical war scenario.
mild83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 12:03 PM   #455
Dave B
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Creating DaveBisms
Posts: 11,937
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 15
Thanks (Received): 133
Likes (Given): 24
Likes (Received): 998
Dislikes (Given): 4
Dislikes (Received): 63
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keboh View Post
I'm looking at it through the lense of reality. Military strength means fuck-all with China right now. There is almost zero chance we will actually get involved in an armed conflict with them. Our economies are too intertwined for that even be on the table in almost any foreseeable scenario.
Mild cannot comprehend this. His idea of "power" is military strength and honestly believes that holds the most significant card in the deck. LOL
Dave B is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 12:05 PM   #456
Dave B
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Creating DaveBisms
Posts: 11,937
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 15
Thanks (Received): 133
Likes (Given): 24
Likes (Received): 998
Dislikes (Given): 4
Dislikes (Received): 63
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwdb1fish View Post
Awwww...

Poor Shaun y might have to sacrifice his spending ease for silly national security issues.

How dare anyone ask that.
Your business would be crushed because we'd experience a market crash, the likes of which the world has never seen. You fail to understand just how intertwined our economies are. China has the coolest head in the room right now.
Dave B is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 12:32 PM   #457
DIYAutoRepair
**Sponsor**
 
DIYAutoRepair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 4,955
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 25
Thanks (Received): 193
Likes (Given): 71
Likes (Received): 1311
Dislikes (Given): 1
Dislikes (Received): 25
Default

China could have stopped NK from developing a nuclear weapon if they had wanted, they have not wanted to do that so here were are.

I am all for getting rid of NK nuclear program and weapons so we are not held hostage to them and to show China that they need to be a part of the rest of the world and help stop nuclear proliferation rather than allowing it for their own self interest.

We also need to remove china from the man made islands they have created in the S. China sea while we are at it.
__________________
DIY Auto Repair
Fully equipped service bay rental by the hour
We also offer full service automotive repairs along with paint and bodywork
Visit us at http://diyautorepairkc.com/
or call (913) 226-3806

Favorite car from the past (73 Pinto)
Post Thanks / Like - 0 Thanks, 1 Likes, 0 Dislikes
Likes mild83 liked this post
DIYAutoRepair is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 12:38 PM   #458
mild83
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: cabrini green
Posts: 14,293
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 927
Thanks (Received): 335
Likes (Given): 6348
Likes (Received): 2732
Dislikes (Given): 128
Dislikes (Received): 131
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B View Post
Mild cannot comprehend this. His idea of "power" is military strength and honestly believes that holds the most significant card in the deck. LOL
Dafuq you talking about? I agreed with his post.

And when everything settles, yes, military power is the end-all, be-all. If not held to today's PC, snowflake standards, the USA could certainly dominate the world, perhaps greater than any other nation/empire, ever.
mild83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 01:35 PM   #459
ForcFed93
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Topeka KS
Posts: 4,086
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 16
Thanks (Received): 95
Likes (Given): 333
Likes (Received): 662
Dislikes (Given): 2
Dislikes (Received): 29
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mild83 View Post
And when everything settles, yes, military power is the end-all, be-all. If not held to today's PC, snowflake standards, the USA could certainly dominate the world, perhaps greater than any other nation/empire, ever.
Dominate the world at what cost? Nuclear weaponry can destroy the world as we know it. Nuclear weapons have one purpose, to serve as a deterrent and prevent mass destruction.
ForcFed93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 03:24 PM   #460
shaun y
Mr 49er
 
shaun y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: الكافر المشرف
Posts: 15,768
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 164
Thanks (Received): 142
Likes (Given): 3416
Likes (Received): 1009
Dislikes (Given): 187
Dislikes (Received): 144
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DIYAutoRepair View Post

We also need to remove china from the man made islands they have created in the S. China sea while we are at it.
we need to remove them? like, fight them over it? why do you want them gone anyways? team America reasons or what?
__________________
shaun y is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 03:57 PM   #461
Keboh
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Overland Park
Posts: 13,626
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 213
Thanks (Received): 252
Likes (Given): 2483
Likes (Received): 1671
Dislikes (Given): 24
Dislikes (Received): 47
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shaun y View Post
we need to remove them? like, fight them over it? why do you want them gone anyways? team America reasons or what?
Ya, I understand why strategically it's not the best for them to be on those islands but like... they fucking made them. What can we really do about it? lol
Keboh is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 04:27 PM   #462
mild83
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: cabrini green
Posts: 14,293
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 927
Thanks (Received): 335
Likes (Given): 6348
Likes (Received): 2732
Dislikes (Given): 128
Dislikes (Received): 131
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shaun y View Post
we need to remove them? like, fight them over it? why do you want them gone anyways? team America reasons or what?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keboh View Post
Ya, I understand why strategically it's not the best for them to be on those islands but like... they fucking made them. What can we really do about it? lol
Well it's placing military bases in an area of significant trade routes of commerce.

And I don't trust China for shit.
mild83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 06:20 PM   #463
Dave B
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Creating DaveBisms
Posts: 11,937
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 15
Thanks (Received): 133
Likes (Given): 24
Likes (Received): 998
Dislikes (Given): 4
Dislikes (Received): 63
Default

Kinda like is in Guam, South Korea, Japan, and countless other islands in the Pacific the US has bases on and within trade routes and close proximity of China.

Funny how the US takes offense at others doing the same things as ourselves. How dare they! Imagine the freak out if China built a base in Haiti or Cuba!
Dave B is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 06:57 PM   #464
mild83
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: cabrini green
Posts: 14,293
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 927
Thanks (Received): 335
Likes (Given): 6348
Likes (Received): 2732
Dislikes (Given): 128
Dislikes (Received): 131
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B View Post
Kinda like is in Guam, South Korea, Japan, and countless other islands in the Pacific the US has bases on and within trade routes and close proximity of China.

Funny how the US takes offense at others doing the same things as ourselves. How dare they! Imagine the freak out if China built a base in Haiti or Cuba!
They're man-made you dolt.
mild83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-11, 09:39 PM   #465
Dave B
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Creating DaveBisms
Posts: 11,937
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 15
Thanks (Received): 133
Likes (Given): 24
Likes (Received): 998
Dislikes (Given): 4
Dislikes (Received): 63
Default

No shit. Got anything else? If not, I'm tuning into the fight Trump is now trying to pick with Venezuela including a threat of military action.

Anyone else notice that when our Supreme Leader speaks, his statements are straight from the Redundancy Department of Redundancy?
Dave B is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-20, 09:58 PM   #466
JDLM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Lenexa
Posts: 158,954
Post Thanks / Like
Default

North Korea warns of 'merciless strike' ahead of US-South Korea drills



(CNN) -- North Korea warned Sunday that the upcoming US-South Korea military exercises are "reckless behavior driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war."
Pyongyang also declared that its army can target the United States anytime, and neither Guam, Hawaii nor the US mainland can "dodge the merciless strike."
The messages in Rodong Sinmun, the official government newspaper, come a day before the US starts the Ulchi Freedom Guardian military exercises with South Korea on Monday.
Tensions between the two nations have grown in recent weeks, forcing China to step in and urge restraint.
Just last week, Pyongyang said it had finalized a plan to fire four missiles toward the US territory of Guam. State media reported that leader Kim Jong Un would assess the US' next move before giving launch orders.
"The Trump group's declaration of the reckless nuclear war exercises against the DPRK ... is a reckless behavior driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war," the paper said, using the acronym for Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the nation's official name.
It described North Korea as the "strongest possessor" of intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of striking the US mainland from anywhere.
"The Korean People's Army is keeping a high alert, fully ready to contain the enemies. It will take resolute steps the moment even a slight sign of the preventive war is spotted," it said.
It did not provide any details on what it meant by "preventive war."
Military exercises to continue
Last week, a top US general said military exercises with South Korea are not up for negotiation.
US Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Joseph Dunford told reporters during a visit to Beijing there would no scaling back of planned military exercises despite the recent tensions with North Korea.
The annual drills antagonize Pyongyang, which sees them as practice for an invasion. However, the US and South Korea maintain they are purely defensive.
As tensions escalate, South Korean President Moon Jae-in promised his citizens last week there "will be no war on the Korean Peninsula ever again."
Moon, who took office in May, announced on his 100th day in office that US and South Korean policies are aligned on North Korea.
US President Donald Trump assured South Korea he would consult with them before making any military decisions on North Korea, according to Moon.
Moon said North Korea's development of nuclear weapons technology was "nearing" a red line, which he described as "completing an ICBM and weaponizing it with a nuclear head."
North Korea claims it has successfully miniaturized a nuclear weapon. While some experts believe it may have the technology, others caution that even if it doesn't, North Korea should be taken at its word.
"If North Korea provokes again, it will face with much harsher sanction and won't stand it in the end. I want to warn North Korea to do no more dangerous gambling," Moon said.
His comments about averting war echoed similar statements he made Tuesday that only South Korea could give consent to initiate any conflict with the North.
"The government, putting everything on the line, will block war by all means," Moon said.
Euan McKirdy and Ben Westcott contributed to this report
__________________

AW|E90|ZSP|ZPP|2XA|NAV|HID| ///M | BMS |JB4 | VRSF



JDLM is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-26, 12:27 AM   #467
JDLM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Lenexa
Posts: 158,954
Post Thanks / Like
Default

North Korea launches trio of missiles amidst US-South Korea military drills


































Story highlights

  • The missiles were no threat to the US mainland or Guam, US officials say
  • South Korea-US military exercises are underway



(CNN)North Korea launched a barrage of missiles Saturday, less than one week after being praised by US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson for showing 'restraint' in its weapons program.

Pyongyang fired three short-range ballistic missiles from the Kangwon province, according to US Pacific Command. The launches occurred in the midst of the US and South Korea's annual Ulchi Freedom Guardian military exercises.



Cmdr. David Benham, spokesman for US Pacific Command, said the first and third missiles "failed in flight" and the second missile launch "appears to have blown up almost immediately."
Though North Korea says it now has the ability to send missiles to the US mainland, US defense officials said these short-range missiles did not pose a threat to North America or Guam.
Tough talk amidst military exercises


The missile test capped yet another eventful week on the Korean peninsula, which began with the annual military exercises between the US and South Korea.
Both parties say the training is defensive in nature, but North Korea sees it as provocative and hostile, perhaps even preparation for an invasion.









South Korea holds annual emergency drills 01:48



A day before the exercises began Monday, Pyongyang warned the US was risking an "uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war." North Korean state-run media said the country's military could strike the US at any time and that neither Guam, Hawaii nor the US mainland could avoid the "merciless strike."
"The Korean People's Army is keeping a high alert, fully ready to contain the enemies. It will take resolute steps the moment even a slight sign of the preventive war is spotted," North Korean state-run newspaper Rodong Sinmun said.
However, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Tuesday attempted to dial down tensions by noting that there had been no missile tests or "provocative acts" from North Korea since a United Nations Security Council resolution sanctioning Pyongyang was passed earlier this month.









Tillerson: Pyongyang has shown restraint 00:55



Tillerson called North Korea's "restraint" pleasing and said it could open a pathway for dialogue in the near future.
Barely a day later, photographs emerged showing North Korean leader Kim Jong Un inspecting missile and missile-fuel components. State media arm, KCNA, said Kim had visited the country's Chemical Material Institute of the Academy of Defense Sciences and instructed the institute to produce more solid-fuel rocket engines and rocket warhead tips.
Analysts said the photos were a sign from North Korea to the world, to show their solid fuel missile program is improving at a steady rate.
Solid fuel missiles are faster and easier to deploy, and harder to catch before they launch because there's a lot less to be done in terms of launch preparation. All US and Russian ballistic missiles are solid-fuel models.
Tensions rise as Pyongyang shoots more missiles


North Korea has conducted a series of ballistic missile tests this year, increasing tensions with the United States, South Korea and Japan.
It has fired more than 20 missiles since February, further perfecting its technology with each launch. In July, it launched an intercontinental ballistic missile, which North Korea claims could reach "anywhere in the world."
Earlier this month, President Donald Trump issued an extraordinary ultimatum to North Korea, warning Pyongyang not to make any more threats against the United States or it will "face fire and fury like the world has never seen."
US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson quickly tried to allay fears of a military confrontation, saying there was no sign that the threat level from North Korea had changed and that Americans should "sleep well at night."
In a conciliatory move before that, Tillerson said the United States was willing to sit down for talks with North Korea, but only if it relinquishes its pursuit of nuclear weapons.
South Korea, Japan, Guam react to latest launch


The South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a statement after the Saturday's test, saying "the projectiles" were launched around 6:49 a.m. Saturday and flew about 250 kilometers (155 miles) into the Sea of Japan, or East Sea.
South Korea planned to convene its national security council several hours after the missile launches, the presidential office said in a statement.









North Korea threatens US with 'final doom' 01:11



"Our military is closely monitoring for North Korean additional provocation and strengthened surveillance and security postures and maintaining readiness postures," the South Korean release said.
Guam's governor's office in a statement said the missile launches pose "no immediate threat" to Guam.
"Although the launches were no threat to Guam, it reminds us that we cannot be complacent," said George Charfauros, the homeland security adviser on the US territory. "We place confidence in our US Department of Defense capabilities and continue open communications with our federal and military partners."
Japan's chief cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, told reporters Saturday morning the launches would not directly affect Japan's security, and that no missiles have reached Japan's territorial waters and exclusive economic zone.
__________________

AW|E90|ZSP|ZPP|2XA|NAV|HID| ///M | BMS |JB4 | VRSF



JDLM is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-28, 05:15 PM   #468
JDLM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Lenexa
Posts: 158,954
Post Thanks / Like
Default

Japan TV: N. Korea fires missiles toward Japan











NHK TV in Japan was actively warning citizens at 5 p.m. ET of a possible missile attack from North Korea. NHK reported that North Korea has fired ballistic missiles toward the nation's northeast region.
Government officials believe the missiles may have landed offshore east of Hokkaido.
Monday's news comes just three days after North Korea fired three missiles into the sea.
NHK reported that members of the emergency participation team were rushed to the Japan Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's office.
It is believed that the missiles were fired from North Korea's west coast, and fired over Japan, landing in the Pacific Ocean.
__________________

AW|E90|ZSP|ZPP|2XA|NAV|HID| ///M | BMS |JB4 | VRSF



JDLM is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-28, 09:34 PM   #469
JDLM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Lenexa
Posts: 158,954
Post Thanks / Like
Default

North Korea’s asymmetric military capability



Washington may have to develop new understanding on dealing with new nuclear competitor situated near key allies
Under the current circumstances, what the U.S. elites face is simply a trade-off in handling North Korea’s dangerous political-military aspirations.
Either the Donald Trump administration could initiate a high-risk preventive strike to degrade Pyongyang’s nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles proliferation capabilities, or it could try a more robust sanctions regime hoping that such a course of action would slow down the North Korean leadership’s ambitions and technical progress.
But given Pyongyang’s strategic intentions and defense modernization trends in recent decades, Washington might at worst have to develop a new understanding towards dealing with a new nuclear competitor situated in the vicinity of its key allies, such as Japan and South Korea.
In the event a preventive military action indeed takes place, the Pentagon would probably prefer a limited scope that includes a set of precision strikes on nuclear and ballistic missile facilities.
This cautious approach could be extended to target key personnel and leadership figures if the White House opts for adding a punitive feature to the campaign to set an example. However, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea’s (DPRK) escalation and retaliation plans and capabilities remain the biggest unknown.
Damage assessment
Another hardship regarding a possible U.S. military campaign would be the battle damage assessment. With all the subterranean networks hiding Pyongyang’s strategic weapons programs, evaluating the real impact of air strikes would not be an easy task for military intelligence.
Furthermore, the country is extremely closed and isolated, so an accurate estimation as to the public reaction and the regime’s level of resilience would be almost impossible.
In addition, while the global strategic community tends to focus on North Korea as an emerging missile and nuclear power, many experts mostly overlook Pyongyang’s non-nuclear deterrents, such as chemical and biological warfare capabilities along with offensive cyber options.
As a response to any military intervention, North Korean defense planners might as well come up with non-nuclear strategic responses that could cause serious damage.
Pyongyang’s possible defensive military strategy
The Korean People’s Army (KPA), which predominantly depends on its ground forces, has more than one million active personnel in its ranks, making it one of the largest militaries in the world.
Furthermore, according to defense intelligence estimates, Pyongyang could mobilize up to 30 percent of its population (some 25 million people) in wartime.
The most important advantage of the KPA is its military-geostrategic positioning. According to open-source intelligence assessments, an overwhelming proportion of the KPA formations — around 70 percent of the army and 50 percent of the air force and the navy — are deployed within 100 kilometers (62 miles) of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ). This order of battle provides North Korean defense planners with menacing surprise-attack options on South Korea, most notably on Seoul.
The most important handicap that the KPA faces is its aged, legacy arsenal, mostly Soviet and Chinese equipment, with some dating as far back as the 1950s.
The KPA’s ground forces are predominantly composed of infantry formations, along with some mechanized and armored units. More importantly, over the decades, North Korean military leaders have heavily invested in boosting their artillery and multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS) capabilities.
Defense surveys estimate a total of 30 artillery and MLRS brigades, along with a reinforced artillery division, that have in their possession thousands of artillery tubes and rockets.
Given the KPA’s order of battle and positioning, Pyongyang could easily respond to a U.S. attack by initiating an overwhelming barrage of shelling. This course of action could cost tens of thousands of lives in the south, coupled with a mass depopulation problem due to possible waves of people fleeing South Korea’s capital and neighboring areas.
Furthermore, as mentioned earlier, since many of North Korea’s military formations are positioned in very close proximity to the DMZ, such a barrage strike would require little preparation. Thus, the U.S. and South Korea would have extremely limited early warning and reaction time, which poses a grave danger.
Dangerous combination
Another wildcard that Pyongyang could capitalize on would be a hybrid concept that combines subterranean warfare and special operations. The KPA has highly-disciplined and highly-trained special operations forces (SOF). Some sources estimate North Korea’s active SOF personnel to be around 90,000 in addition to more than 190,000 paramilitary manpower ready for asymmetric action.
The KPA is suspected of operating many underground tunnels crossing the DMZ. In case of a U.S. attack, North Korea would probably launch subterranean SOF assaults to hit high-value targets, conduct sabotage and even kidnappings in the south.
A big unknown: offensive cyber warfare capabilities
North Korea has long invested in building offensive cyber warfare capabilities. In case of a U.S. strike, Pyongyang would probably incorporate those capabilities in its defensive portfolio. In this regard, North Korea’s cyber teams might attempt to hit a target set on a broad scale, ranging from U.S., South Korean, and Japanese banking systems, major institutions, government networks, and even critical national infrastructure.
In fact, North Korean hackers targeted Sony Pictures Entertainment in 2014, which already set an alarming example. In case of a U.S. strike, they could try and attack even more sensational targets.
Chemical and biological warfare and ballistic missiles
Although it would be tantamount to suicide for Pyongyang to use its — yet inferior — nuclear assets against Washington’s allies, let alone the continental United States, it could as well employ chemical and perhaps biological weapons in its defensive or retaliatory campaign.
Without a doubt, North Korea’s non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction arsenal, its doctrine, and possible ways of employing these formidable assets should be analyzed in a separate, specific article. However, this paper can still provide the readers with a general understanding.
North Koreans could attempt to use their chemical weapons to conduct anti-access / area denial (A2/AD) missions close to the DMZ. Given the fact that the KPA is believed to be trained in operating in contaminated areas, such an option could be relevant in case the North Korean leadership perceives an imminent threat of ground incursion.
In order to carry out A2/AD duties, Pyongyang needs persistent and lethal chemical agents. In this regard, the possible agent of choice would be VX. In order to deliver this extremely dangerous chemical warfare asset, the KPA could use artillery rockets, ballistic missiles and air-to-ground munitions.
North Korea’s biological weapons inventory is another story that requires utmost attention. While most open-source intelligence estimates indicate that Pyongyang’s ‘Armageddon’ arsenal contains ‘classic’ bio-weapons, such as anthrax and botulinum, a number of analysts claim that North Korea has obtained and weaponized strains of smallpox virus, which is known to have already been eradicated.
Military intelligence and espionage on a hostile nation’s biological weapons program is not easy. Thus, even the U.S. intelligence community’s classified inputs may not provide the most up-to-date and complete picture about Pyongyang’s biological weapons.
Besides, for some bio-agents, the initial stages of an attack might exactly look like an outbreak. Thus, if the North Korean leadership resorts to its bio-agents in the course of an escalation, detecting such a strike would be complicated.
It is assessed that North Korea could use its biological weapons especially for terrorizing its U.S.-allied neighbors’ populations. A low-probability but high-impact scenario would be a Pyongyang-sponsored bio-terrorist attack on U.S. soil, even though this could be a suicidal act for the Kim dynasty.
Apart from chemical and biological warfare assets, North Korea’s another terror weapon of choice could be its formidable ballistic missile arsenal. Although some studies suggest that North Korea has already gained the capability to hit the continental United States, ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) technology is very complex, and no one could be perfectly sure about its operational status before it is launched.
Most probably, Pyongyang could decide on conducting ballistic missile strikes on South Korean and Japanese population centers, or major military facilities, as a retaliatory strategy to confront a U.S. attack. Both nations have missile defense capabilities supported by forward-deployed American assets. Yet, even with impressive interception rates, any ballistic missile strike would traumatically resonate with local populations and could cause massive displacement in Japanese and South Korean cities.
Real ‘nuclear’ scenario
Last but not least, it should be underlined that the primary advantage that plays into the hands of the Kim dynasty is the extremely uncertain characteristics of a total regime collapse.
In such a scenario, the U.S. and its allies would have to take control of the entire WMD and ballistic missiles arsenal, prevent a small-arms flow into the black market, check for possible renegade factions within the KPA, and deal with a huge refugee influx.
Even the abovementioned complexities of a total regime collapse suggest that any U.S. action, including military options, might remain limited in the short to medium terms.
__________________

AW|E90|ZSP|ZPP|2XA|NAV|HID| ///M | BMS |JB4 | VRSF



JDLM is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-28, 09:47 PM   #470
shaun y
Mr 49er
 
shaun y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: الكافر المشرف
Posts: 15,768
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 164
Thanks (Received): 142
Likes (Given): 3416
Likes (Received): 1009
Dislikes (Given): 187
Dislikes (Received): 144
Default

obviously Trump really put them in their place with his big, bad wolf spiel.
__________________
shaun y is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-28, 10:35 PM   #471
Dave B
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Creating DaveBisms
Posts: 11,937
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 15
Thanks (Received): 133
Likes (Given): 24
Likes (Received): 998
Dislikes (Given): 4
Dislikes (Received): 63
Default

He's busy dealing with that Harvey guy that's sucking money away from his wall.
Dave B is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-29, 07:52 AM   #472
BuddyLee
 
BuddyLee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lenexa, KS
Posts: 28,697
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 24
Thanks (Received): 257
Likes (Given): 61
Likes (Received): 1934
Dislikes (Given): 4
Dislikes (Received): 35
Default

Reading some threads on Reddit written by people of Japan, there was some actual fear that they were going to be attacked. They were saying they had never experienced anything like it in their lifetime there (obviously younger posters).

A stronger action needs to be taken against NK.
__________________
XBL: Buddyl33
PSN: KC_Buddyl33

BuddyLee is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-29, 08:01 AM   #473
redlobster
 
redlobster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Wichita
Posts: 7,985
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 7
Thanks (Received): 41
Likes (Given): 39
Likes (Received): 319
Dislikes (Given): 8
Dislikes (Received): 29
Default

Looks like the military industrial complex will gets its wish, its been hungry for a new war and more money. NK looks to provide that opportunity.
redlobster is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-29, 08:01 AM   #474
Keboh
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Overland Park
Posts: 13,626
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 213
Thanks (Received): 252
Likes (Given): 2483
Likes (Received): 1671
Dislikes (Given): 24
Dislikes (Received): 47
Default

South Korea just dropped a bunch of heavy bombs near the NK bordee
Keboh is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 2017-08-29, 08:24 AM   #475
mild83
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: cabrini green
Posts: 14,293
Post Thanks / Like
Thanks (Given): 927
Thanks (Received): 335
Likes (Given): 6348
Likes (Received): 2732
Dislikes (Given): 128
Dislikes (Received): 131
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BuddyLee View Post
Reading some threads on Reddit written by people of Japan, there was some actual fear that they were going to be attacked. They were saying they had never experienced anything like it in their lifetime there (obviously younger posters).

A stronger action needs to be taken against NK.
What would you propose?
mild83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
north korea

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

 

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:11 PM.


Design By: Miner Skinz.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.13.37
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright (c) 1993-2012, KCSR.org