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New top of the line Escort radar detector hits the market in early June. It's called the Passport Max. Features include:
* Multi-color OLED display.
* "HD Radar Performance" (probably just a marketing term to describe features mentioned below).
* Identifies the signature of a signal to distinguish radar threats from RF interference.
* Receiver has DSP to improve threat recognition time and provide earlier warning.
* GPS location-based intelligence.
* Pre-loaded Defender Database of red light and speed cameras.
* Compatible with Escort Live.
* MSRP $549.95

After looking at pictures, it appears that it does not have a rear antenna, and does not have directional arrows. Also, the buttons are still on the top and basically flush with the case, so it'll be more difficult (than a V1) to operate while driving or to see what you're doing with it. Visor mount and rear view mirror mount will not be very good. The OLED display is recessed in the front so you may not be able to see it well at angles. Looks like it has a plastic case, and other than the OLED display is not very attractive.

For the $, the Valentine One still looks like a much better option at $399. I doubt the 9500ix or Redline will be marked down or sold for less than $399 any time, so V1 still wins.

If you want to see pics and the ad for the Passport Max, check out Motor Trend July 2013 pg51.

FYI, the 9500ix already has the signal signature (DNA), DSP, GPS, pre-loaded Defender Database, and Escort Live compatibility, so it looks like the only new things you're getting are the OLED display and a new (uglier) case. The 9500ix was just discounted by $50 to $449 on the Escort web site.
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Nice. I need to pick up a second one for the other car. I am getting tired/lazy and hate moving it from car to car. I think i am going to pick up the valentine this time around. I have had the 8500 and still currently the 9500ix. But i really want the arrows and the Valentine seems like what i should have gotten from day 1.
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I've owned both, and I've really tried to like the Escort detectors, but they just don't compare to the V1. After using the V1 and then moving to the Escort, I found myself looking all around 360 trying to figure out where the radar gun was. With the V1 I know. Also, the buttons on all of the top Escort models, except the Redline, are positioned on top and thus difficult/impossible to use if the detector is mounted on a visor or rear view mirror mount. Escort Live is a cool concept, but it is light years behind Waze and consequently useless. If you want the best "live" crowd sourced data, you need to use Waze.

When first looking at the V1, some people think it looks old, dated, ugly. Funny thing is that it is very carefully designed to be the most easy to use (especially while driving), and most durable. It has a metal case, and it has a big simple display, and big simple control button/knob. It also has rear antenna for rear detection. The V1 has been the best detector sincve it's introduction, and the only thing that has ever come close is the Redline. The Redline has a rear antenna, and it has great range, and it has controls that are slightly better than the other Escort models ... but the V1 is still $100 less and better.
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I though that Escort Live thing sounded really cool. I like the idea of false alarms going away completely with the use of GPS technology. Why didn't Escort put the Arrows on this new detector? The patent is up as far as I know.
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I love my v1 besides 1 thing... night time ease of identifying radar type. I guess I don't drive the car or hear it enough to differentiate, but those little LEDs lighting up does nothing to tell me what band radar it is. I miss my 8500 that showed 'Ka' or 'Laser', ect.

I still prefer the V1 though for the arrows.
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Maybe I"m in the minority, but I sold my V1 to get the 9500ix and don't regret it at all.

The V1 falsed so much, that I started just ignoring it altogether.

The 9500ix with GPS never gives false alerts. If it goes off, there is a cop around. I will trade the arrows for no more false alarms. I don't really care where the cop is. If the 9500 goes off, he's somewhere close and I slow down.
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I love my V1 and couldn't imagine giving up the arrows. I do get some false readings in areas I know fairly well, but have gotten use to them. I generally write a "K" band reading off unless I'm in smaller outskirts of the city.

I need to get another for my truck, as I never remember to switch them. I might entertain the idea of a detector that provides less "false readings" but not for a price higher than my V1.

Are there any talks to an "updated" V1?
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I have a Passport 8500 and love it. Well loved it. It sits in a case in my garage now as I really don't have a need for it. Not to mention my AC adapter isn't located in a great spot so I really don't want an cord spiraled across the middle of my passenger compartment.
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Maybe I"m in the minority, but I sold my V1 to get the 9500ix and don't regret it at all.

The V1 falsed so much, that I started just ignoring it altogether.

The 9500ix with GPS never gives false alerts. If it goes off, there is a cop around. I will trade the arrows for no more false alarms. I don't really care where the cop is. If the 9500 goes off, he's somewhere close and I slow down.
If your V1 had too many false alerts, then you should have changed the settings. Also, use of V1 Savvy and/or V1Connection effectively mitigates the falses.

I spent quite a bit of time using both the V1 and 9500ix, and found that the 9500ix has some serious flaws. On several occasions, the 9500ix did not alert at all when I passed a cop shooting radar.

My 9500ix alerted incorrectly at most of the red light camera locations in the KC area. For example, just in my neighborhood, when driving on I35, it alerts every time you pass by the intersection of 27th and Summit (adjacent to I35).
Same problem at:
71 Hwy & 55th
71 Hwy & 59th
71 Hwy & Gregory
Bannister & I435
Bannister & 71 Hwy
I435 & Wornall

At 39th and Main, the 9500ix alerts while driving N/S on Main St. There is no RLC for N/S traffic on Main St. The RLC is only for E/W traffic on 39th St.

The above 8 locations are just the ones that I have personally confirmed and remember off the top of my head. It's very annoying when I get a half dozen false alerts for RLC every time I drive, and there's no way to filter/mark those false alerts.


Currently, I'm using V1, with latest firmware and V1Connection + Android app Also, for laser jamming and enhanced laser detection, I'm using a 4 head Laser Interceptor unit.

V1 is the best, hands down. I spent 60 days testing the Escort 9500ix, and I used the Android version of the Escort Live add-on too.

My take on the V1 vs 9500ix debate ...

Effective range:
V1 outperforms the 9500ix in virtually every category. Additionally, the V1 has both front and rear antennas, while the 9500ix only has a front antenna.

Price:
9500ix is $500. Add Escort Live DirectWire for $100, visor mount for $20, annual subscription for $20, and you're up to $640.
V1 is $400. V1Connection adds another $50. It comes with visor mount, and requires no annual subscription fee. $450 total, which is about $200 less than the 9500ix.

Controls:
9500ix buttons/controls are on top and difficult to see and use when driving. If mounted on visor or with rear view mirror mount, the controls are often impossible to use without removing detector completely.
V1 controls are on front and easy to see and use when driving.

GPS/lockout/filtering:
9500ix has this and it is very useful for preventing false alarms. V1 does not have this functionality. The 9500ix GPS filtering/lockout has a FATAL flaw though ... if a location is locked out, you're going to be screwed when a cop decides to set up his speed trap at that location in the future. The V1 Savvy and V1 Connection app effectively mitigate falses as well as the 9500ix.

Durability:
The V1 is very well built and is impervious to heat, sun, cold. The case is virtually indestructible. It is very rare for a V1 to fail or need repair.
The 9500ix has a plastic case, and has problems performing in extreme cold or heat. Check the official Escort forums and you'll see MANY MANY complaints about Escorts malfunctioning or breaking. The standard Escort customer service response is that the detector is broken and needs to be shipped in for repairs. I have no confidence in the 9500ix reliability as a result.

Software updates, detector upgrades:
9500ix can be updated yourself via USB cable and a PC. Relatively easy to do, but the updater software is buggy. The only updates you're likely to ever see are Defender database updates. Even though they release updates about weekly, I've only seen two MO and no KS updates in the past 8 months.
V1 has to be sent to V1 for updates, and turnaround time is about 2 weeks.

9500ix unique features:
TrueLock/GPS filtering - relatively useful, but their Defender database is outdated, has lots of errors and omissions, and does not have a very large userbase providing updates.
Variable speed sensitivity - useless feature.
Autolearn - uses GPS and smart filtering technology to learn and lockout false alarms. Useful feature ... when it works.
Laser shifter add-on: The ZR4 "laser shifter" (ie. laser jammer) is crap and performs VERY poorly.
Defender database - this database of red light cameras, speed traps, and speed limits would be useful, if the info was frequently updated and accurate. Unfortunately, the red light camera data is often wrong or outdated, it'll alert you to red light cameras that are on nearby roads you're not even driving on, and the speed trap data is worthless. The speed limit data is usually wrong or missing altogether.
Escort Live - with this web-enabled add-on that utilizes your smartphone, you can get instant updates about speed traps and police, in real time, from nearby drivers. Unfortunately, the user base is relatively small, and you have to pay for an annual subscription. The smartphone app sucks ass, freezing frequently, failing to connect to your detector, and failing to connect via bluetooth to your smartphone (or tablet). I found that I had to physically disconnect all of the cables, turn the power off/on, and restart the app ... EVERY TIME I got in my car. Real pain in the butt. Also, the app software would occasionally stop working or freeze up, and you won't know it until you get a ticket.

Waze is a free alternative to Escort Live. It has MANY more features, it is extremely stable and bug-free, it is free, and it has a MUCH larger userbase. It works with any radar detector too ... or even without a radar detector. The data in the Waze database is very accurate and updated. Also, it includes all of the real-time and stored data from the Escort Live database!

V1 unique features:
Directional Arrows - This is the single greatest innovation in the V1. The arrows will tell you if the cop is behind, to the side, or in front of you. This is very useful info. Escort does not offer anything like this. If you spend time using both the V1 and an Escort (like the 9500ix), you'll quickly realize how useful the directional arrows are.
Front and rear antennas - you get much better rear detection, and this is critical for avoiding tickets.
V1Connection - this add-on is a bluetooth device and smartphone app that provides a simple interface for programming your V1. Also, it provides detailed real-time data about the type, direction, and duration of radar guns. The device functions flawlessly, always maintaining the connection to your V1 unit, and always working perfectly with the smartphone app. I never have to unplug or power off/on the devices, and the app software has been completely reliable.
Savvy - an add-on that turns down V1 alerts based on vehicle speed. Same as the 9500ix speed sensitivity. This also reduces V1 false positives while in town.


Overall, the V1 is the better detector, because it outperforms the 9500ix and Redline, it is less expensive, and it is much more reliable.

For the best protection, and best value, I recommend:
1) Valentine 1
2) Laser Interceptor four head unit - this is a laser jammer, and it works very well. It jams laser, not radar, and is legal in most states.
3) Invisicord hardwire kit - power your V1 from your rearview mirror. There are lots of knockoffs / other brands of hardwire kits, but the Invisicord is the best and most durable. It's worth the extra $5.
4) Waze - free smartphone app that provides GPS-based, real-time red light camera, speed trap, and other data. The userbase is huge, and it is MUCH better than the Escort version (which requires annual subscription fee).

The above 4 items will cost about $1250 total, and have no subscription fees. This combo offers better protection than any Escort product, or combination of Escort and/or Bel, K40, Blinder, Cobra, Whistler, etc etc.
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Hello, I am an employee of Escort Inc, mfr of the Passport 9500ix. I run our official forum and came across this thread about our upcoming next gen detector, the Passport Max. Unfortunately I cannot go into detail about it just yet. We will be releasing more information about it next week.

What I can discuss is the 9500ix. While I absolutely understand that everyone has their preference of radar detectors, there is some mis-information in your review of the Passport 9500ix. Allow me to clarify:

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GPS/lockout/filtering:
9500ix has this and it is very useful for preventing false alarms. V1 does not have this functionality. The 9500ix GPS filtering/lockout has a FATAL flaw though ... if a location is locked out, you're going to be screwed when a cop decides to set up his speed trap at that location in the future. The V1 Savvy and V1 Connection app effectively mitigate falses as well as the 9500ix.
Our detectors can display the frequency of each radar alert (called Spec Meter mode). The 9500ix's GPS based false alert filtering (TrueLock) stores the frequency of the false alert signal. It does not ignore the entire radar band of a stored signal (eg X, K, Ka). Unless police are: a) within a small area near the stored signal and b) using a radar gun on the same frequency, then you will be alerted to the police radar while the 9500ix rejects the false alert. In the very rare instance where they are both using the same frequency then you will receive an alert outside of the small false alert area.

The 9500ix has been out for about 5 years now. Should it have a fatal flaw leaving drivers unprotected then this would be all over the internet by now. On the contrary, the 9500ix is the second best selling of all detectors and the best reviewed detector on the largest online marketplace, Amazon. It is one of our most expensive windshield mount detectors and our best selling detector by a large margin.

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The V1 is very well built and is impervious to heat, sun, cold. The case is virtually indestructible. It is very rare for a V1 to fail or need repair.
The 9500ix has a plastic case, and has problems performing in extreme cold or heat. Check the official Escort forums and you'll see MANY MANY complaints about Escorts malfunctioning or breaking. The standard Escort customer service response is that the detector is broken and needs to be shipped in for repairs. I have no confidence in the 9500ix reliability as a result.
I manage our comany's forum which is a customer service focused forum. Of course you are going to see reports of issues there, that's the nature of our forum. What you will also see is a large community of detector users that regularly visit and post, like they do here, and just stop by to say how much they like our products and services. Listening to our customers is one of our key priorities.

The 9500ix is not inherently fragile. It can take the most extreme temperatures you will experience in your car and still perform well year after year. All radar detectors drift out of tune over time, its the nature of the beast. Our detectors digitally calibrate themselves and will notify the user with an error message when they drift out of tune. Other detectors will just not alert leaving you unprotected.

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Software updates, detector upgrades:
9500ix can be updated yourself via USB cable and a PC. Relatively easy to do, but the updater software is buggy. The only updates you're likely to ever see are Defender database updates. Even though they release updates about weekly, I've only seen two MO and no KS updates in the past 8 months.
V1 has to be sent to V1 for updates, and turnaround time is about 2 weeks.
We offer both PC and Mac detector update software. The 9500ix has had several firmware updates over it's lifetime. Firmware updates are always free.
We update our Defender camera database weekly. If the red light and speed cameras haven't changed in your area then that is out of our control.
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9500ix unique features:
TrueLock/GPS filtering - relatively useful, but their Defender database is outdated, has lots of errors and omissions, and does not have a very large userbase providing updates.
Variable speed sensitivity - useless feature.
Autolearn - uses GPS and smart filtering technology to learn and lockout false alarms. Useful feature ... when it works.
Defender database - this database of red light cameras, speed traps, and speed limits would be useful, if the info was frequently updated and accurate. Unfortunately, the red light camera data is often wrong or outdated, it'll alert you to red light cameras that are on nearby roads you're not even driving on, and the speed trap data is worthless. The speed limit data is usually wrong or missing altogether.
Our Defender camera database is the most up to date and accurate camera database in North America. It has won every comparison against other camera databases.

Variable speed sensitivity is only active when you use Auto detection mode. It is VERY useful by not alerting to false alerts when driving slowly in mall parking lots, etc. Only X and K band radar is effected. Above 50MPH and X and K are at full performance. Ka radar is always at maximum performance no matter what detection mode or speed you drive.

AutoLearn and TrueLock has changed what people expect from a detector. False alerts have always been the biggest complaint about detectors. AutoLearn takes care of that while still alerting to threats all with no input from the driver. Just plug it in and let it learn.

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Waze is a free alternative to Escort Live. It has MANY more features, it is extremely stable and bug-free, it is free, and it has a MUCH larger userbase. It works with any radar detector too ... or even without a radar detector. The data in the Waze database is very accurate and updated. Also, it includes all of the real-time and stored data from the Escort Live database!
Waze does not integrate with any radar detector. Escort Live shares detector alerts with out Escort Live users. It is free to use with limited features. If you want to see how many are in your area then download it from iTunes or Google Play.
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Hello EscortRadar! First, thank you very much for dropping by and taking the time to read and reply to this thread and my post.

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Our detectors can display the frequency of each radar alert (called Spec Meter mode). The 9500ix's GPS based false alert filtering (TrueLock) stores the frequency of the false alert signal. It does not ignore the entire radar band of a stored signal (eg X, K, Ka). Unless police are: a) within a small area near the stored signal and b) using a radar gun on the same frequency, then you will be alerted to the police radar while the 9500ix rejects the false alert. In the very rare instance where they are both using the same frequency then you will receive an alert outside of the small false alert area.
My concern was and is that local police frequently shoot radar at the exact same locations in KC, and it's sometimes the same officer who shoots with the same gun at the same exact spot.

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I manage our comany's forum which is a customer service focused forum. Of course you are going to see reports of issues there, that's the nature of our forum. What you will also see is a large community of detector users that regularly visit and post, like they do here, and just stop by to say how much they like our products and services. Listening to our customers is one of our key priorities.
I'm a member over there too. I joined when I bought my 9500ix last year. It's a very nice forum, and a useful form of customer service and source of info that V1 does not offer btw. I'm also a member on the popular radar detector forums.


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We offer both PC and Mac detector update software. The 9500ix has had several firmware updates over it's lifetime. Firmware updates are always free.
We update our Defender camera database weekly. If the red light and speed cameras haven't changed in your area then that is out of our control.

Our Defender camera database is the most up to date and accurate camera database in North America. It has won every comparison against other camera databases.
In the KC area, your speed zone data is mostly incomplete and sometimes wrong. My biggest complaint about the RLC data and functionality is that my 9500ix frequently alerted me to RLCs when I was traveling on a parallel or adjacent road (to the road with the RLC)..


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Variable speed sensitivity is only active when you use Auto detection mode. It is VERY useful by not alerting to false alerts when driving slowly in mall parking lots, etc. Only X and K band radar is effected. Above 50MPH and X and K are at full performance. Ka radar is always at maximum performance no matter what detection mode or speed you drive.

AutoLearn and TrueLock has changed what people expect from a detector. False alerts have always been the biggest complaint about detectors. AutoLearn takes care of that while still alerting to threats all with no input from the driver. Just plug it in and let it learn.
Thanks for the 411.


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Waze does not integrate with any radar detector. Escort Live shares detector alerts with out Escort Live users. It is free to use with limited features. If you want to see how many are in your area then download it from iTunes or Google Play.
What I meant was that it works with any detector BECAUSE it doesn't require any connection or subscription to a detector. When using my 9500ix, I eventually stopped using Escort Live and instead used Waze. Waze has continued to improve and is light years ahead of Escort Live as far as functionality, features, reliability.

I had problems with Escort Live silently hanging, and silently freezing up or losing connection with the radar detector. I also had the really annoying problem with initial wired and bluetooth connections to my 9500ix. I ALWAYS had to power cycle my 9500ix, disconnect the cable to the Escort Live device, and sometime also kill the app process and restart the app. This added an extra 2-5 minutes to the start of every drive, and became extremely frustrating.

I'm currently using a V1 with latest firmware, and the V1Connection bluetooth based app. I have never had a single problem with establishing or maintaining a bluetooth connection, I've never had to unplug anything, I've never had to powercycle my V1. Consequently, I think my problems with Escort Live were due to app bugs.


I'm looking forward to the release of comprehensive technical info on the Passport Max. If it offers significant advantages and improvements over the 9500ix then I'll probably buy one and try it out. I still have my Escort Live device to use with it. If the Max doesn't appeal to me, then I may wind up getting a discounted 9500ix (I saw the prices have come down) or try a Redline with the new firmware.

All said, thanks for dropping by to post. Please feel free to come by and post anything, anytime. I'd especially like to see Max info when you can post that. If you don't post it, I'll make sure to post details and links to Escort, reviews, etc as soon those appear online.
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Maybe I"m in the minority, but I sold my V1 to get the 9500ix and don't regret it at all.

The V1 falsed so much, that I started just ignoring it altogether.

The 9500ix with GPS never gives false alerts. If it goes off, there is a cop around. I will trade the arrows for no more false alarms. I don't really care where the cop is. If the 9500 goes off, he's somewhere close and I slow down.
I have not tried any of the Escort brand detectors, so I can only give input on my V1 experience.

I have had issues with my V1 not alerting me either at all, or well after I already spotted the LEO by eye.

Also no radar detector is going to offer enough advanced warning with the "Instant-On" or Pop or whatever its called that is common around KC. For example, by the time the V1 alerts you, its already too late and you have been "hit".

End result is that I ended up selling my V1 to a friend.

I do miss it at times, but the false alerts even in "City" mode were still way too high for me to really "trust" it when I was given an alert.

I think when money starts falling from trees I will end up getting a lazer intercepter and use it in conjunction with a detector.
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I wouldn't mind trying out the Max but it seems huge! Display looks awesome tho. I just don't think I want that thing flapping around on my rear view mirror
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I have not tried any of the Escort brand detectors, so I can only give input on my V1 experience.

I have had issues with my V1 not alerting me either at all, or well after I already spotted the LEO by eye.

Also no radar detector is going to offer enough advanced warning with the "Instant-On" or Pop or whatever its called that is common around KC. For example, by the time the V1 alerts you, its already too late and you have been "hit".

End result is that I ended up selling my V1 to a friend.

I do miss it at times, but the false alerts even in "City" mode were still way too high for me to really "trust" it when I was given an alert.

I think when money starts falling from trees I will end up getting a lazer intercepter and use it in conjunction with a detector.
First thing to do with the V1 is to put it in Advanced Logic mode. In the KC area, you can also turn off X band detection altogether with advanced programming. If your V1 didn't go off, it's most likely because the cop didn't shoot you, was using laser, or using instant on KA band. Placement of your V1 can also make a huge difference. If near the dash / base of windshield, you'll get substandard performance (but maybe slightly better laser detection).

For a radar detector to really be useful you need to:
* use a laser jammer with it (ie. Laser Interceptor brand)
* have a complete understanding of how the radar detector works
* configure/program the radar detector properly
* have a thorough understanding of radar guns and how cops use them
* have great situational awareness
* use an app like Waze to take advantage of crowd-sourced real time speedtrap data
* know where the cops always set up speed traps (very predictable)
* know when NOT to speed - ex. rush hour, or when you're first one in the pack and there's no car ahead to get hit with radar and alert you, etc.
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I wouldn't mind trying out the Max but it seems huge! Display looks awesome tho. I just don't think I want that thing flapping around on my rear view mirror
I wouldn't get one at this time. Check www.radardetector.net and www.escortradarforum.com to read up on all of the problems with it. Many people have reported issues with detector not functioning properly, not working well with Escort LIve, etc. V1 is hands down the best option right now.
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First thing to do with the V1 is to put it in Advanced Logic mode. In the KC area, you can also turn off X band detection altogether with advanced programming. If your V1 didn't go off, it's most likely because the cop didn't shoot you, was using laser, or using instant on KA band. Placement of your V1 can also make a huge difference. If near the dash / base of windshield, you'll get substandard performance (but maybe slightly better laser detection).

For a radar detector to really be useful you need to:
* use a laser jammer with it (ie. Laser Interceptor brand)
* have a complete understanding of how the radar detector works
* configure/program the radar detector properly
* have a thorough understanding of radar guns and how cops use them
* have great situational awareness
* use an app like Waze to take advantage of crowd-sourced real time speedtrap data
* know where the cops always set up speed traps (very predictable)
* know when NOT to speed - ex. rush hour, or when you're first one in the pack and there's no car ahead to get hit with radar and alert you, etc.
Yeah, I had it on big "L" aka Advanced logic mode (also known as "City mode on most other radar detectors).

I used the sun visor clip on my V1, so it had the best point of view possible.

Seems like most of the cops around here like the "instant on" , and so I got little if no warning.

Don't get me wrong, I mean it worked, just wasn't living up to all the hype and still VERY easy to get caught speeding with it.

I plan to buy something like a laser jammer eventually, just gotta wait till I hit the lotto before I can afford it is all.
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Yeah, I had it on big "A" aka Advanced logic mode (also known as "City mode on most other radar detectors).

I used the sun visor clip on my V1, so it had the best point of view possible.

Seems like most of the cops around here like the "instant on" , and so I got little if no warning.

Don't get me wrong, I mean it worked, just wasn't living up to all the hype and still VERY easy to get caught speeding with it.

I plan to buy something like a laser jammer eventually, just gotta wait till I hit the lotto before I can afford it is all.
Most manufactures recommend mounthing units as low on the front windshield as possible, however, the reason for this is when cops are shooting LIDAR they are trained to aim for the headlights and closer the unit is to the headlights/ spot being nailed with laser the better chances you have at getting the detector to give you a laser warning, but in most cases you get the laser warning from the bacon sniffer and you are speeding, might as well just pull over. Here in OP 95% of the time a LEO is doing a stationary speed trap, they are using LIDAR.
Laser jammer would be the smartest investment for any JOCO driver that speeds regularly. I have a 8500 x50, It hasn't been in my car for about a year, only use it on roadtrips. Otherwise you have this false sense of protection from getting yanked.
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Most manufactures recommend mounthing units as low on the front windshield as possible, however, the reason for this is when cops are shooting LIDAR they are trained to aim for the headlights and closer the unit is to the headlights/ spot being nailed with laser the better chances you have at getting the detector to give you a laser warning, but in most cases you get the laser warning from the bacon sniffer and you are speeding, might as well just pull over. Here in OP 95% of the time a LEO is doing a stationary speed trap, they are using LIDAR.
Laser jammer would be the smartest investment for any JOCO driver that speeds regularly. I have a 8500 x50, It hasn't been in my car for about a year, only use it on roadtrips. Otherwise you have this false sense of protection from getting yanked.
Actually, I think only Escort recommends mounting low. Valentine One definitely recommends mounting high and center.

http://www.valentine1.com/v1info/rad...ormounting.asp

Logically, it makes no sense whatsoever to mount a detector for optimal laser detection. If you detect laser, it's probably too late. Mount it for optimal radar detection.

fwiw, most speed traps on the MO side are laser too.
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What's the legality of jammers? And what do cops see on their gun? Just it just say "malfunction" or something?
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Can someone maybe educate me a little more on radar detectors? Reason I ask is because I have kind of come to a conclusion that they are a waste unless you have a laser blocker.

It is to my understanding that most officers are now using Laser and Instant-On detection methods which radar detectors will not pick up until it is too late.

Am I wrong on this? I miss driving around and having fun because I am just too worried about getting nailed.

Edit* I didn't read the long paragraphs when skimming through this where some points are already covered. However if you have anything specific to maybe help me understand my askings a little better, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Can someone maybe educate me a little more on radar detectors? Reason I ask is because I have kind of come to a conclusion that they are a waste unless you have a laser blocker.

It is to my understanding that most officers are now using Laser and Instant-On detection methods which radar detectors will not pick up until it is too late.

Am I wrong on this? I miss driving around and having fun because I am just too worried about getting nailed.

Edit* I didn't read the long paragraphs when skimming through this where some points are already covered. However if you have anything specific to maybe help me understand my askings a little better, it would be greatly appreciated.
Driving around where we live OP/olathe area, yep they are pretty much useless without a laser jammer.
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I think I am getting ready to order a V1. If I want to mount it by my rear view mirror my hatch wont block the rear antenna? I have a friend who has two escorts in both of his vehicles mounted high and he likes them but he don't really know that much about the subject. He just took it to a local shop and had them install "a good radar detector" in both cars.
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Has anyone been stopped after jamming a laser signal? Were you ticketed anyway or just questioned? Just curious because I think the office can tell when you are jamming their laser.
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Has anyone been stopped after jamming a laser signal? Were you ticketed anyway or just questioned? Just curious because I think the office can tell when you are jamming their laser.
I've never been questioned about the laser jammer. Whether the officer sees a jam code, error code, or other indication of jamming, will depend on what equipment you're using and how you use it, what he is using and how much knowledge/experience he has.

My laser jammer installs (Laser Interceptor, and AntiLaser Priority) have been pretty stealth. I also make sure my radar detector is never mounted in a visible location, and I always turn it off when I get pulled over.
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I've never been questioned about the laser jammer. Whether the officer sees a jam code, error code, or other indication of jamming, will depend on what equipment you're using and how you use it, what he is using and how much knowledge/experience he has.

My laser jammer installs (Laser Interceptor, and AntiLaser Priority) have been pretty stealth. I also make sure my radar detector is never mounted in a visible location, and I always turn it off when I get pulled over.
What non-visible location is it mounted in that allows it to still work and you to see it?
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